It really all depends and nobody will know except framework. How important is the US market to framework? Depends on what kind of volume discounts framework gets for shipping and manufacturing and if removal of the US market would negatively impact that and by how much?
Seriously, there is simply no way to know anything without looking at the financials and Framework obviously won’t share those.
Framework prices are already premium, an increase by 30% will result in a heavy decrease of orders. US citizens will face much higher prices for all goods across the country in the next weeks. This means it will not be the first priority for them to buy a Framework product at all.
My guess is that the US market makes up the largest market segment in the places they operate and most likely by a significant margin. This is just based on the economics of things. The US has the largest economy of the places that Framework currently sells in.
I really hope this mess can get sorted out quickly though!!!
It only affects US customers of companies that are importing from dirt-cheap countries that were already severely tariffing US products. It seems strange that their tariffs haven’t been addressed before but at least now it is. They shouldn’t be doing that.
Presumably it’s up to Taiwan now to drop their tariffs of US goods.
That is not how these are done.
The new tariffs are calculated with insane method. It is not about chesp prices but how much the tariffed country is importing from us and other factors.
Generally totally insane way to do these and will mostly affect US consumers but I huess that is what they want (aka they dont even realise it)
Content of posts + name, clearly just troll posts. Best to not give them a second thought. Plus, they often feed on attention.
I’m new here, an generally just read a bit.
But this statement is just absolutely, ridiculous. Did you even stop to think if those tariff numbers from other counties on that cardboard where real “tariffs”? No wonder US is in decline.
You should read Project 2025, because this is only the beginning of the fall.
@Bernd_Steinzimmer
Yes that is most probable outcome, that will they stop selling to the US market for the short-term, a 34% tariffs would most likely mean a lose with every sell they make. (Or they just added to the price as US Tariffs Tax. I pay 21% vat over here, so if a US citizen want’s something from framework, they just need to pay the tariff or cancel their order)
The surety of many people in this thread is kinda crazy. I also don’t think Framework will simply abandon the US market, not as long as they remain a US company. Few other countries possess the same combination of population and disposable income as the US. It’s obvious that Framework isn’t going to just take a haircut on the price. By how much the price will rise is pointless speculation with no basis in reason without some kind of starting point to base the numbers on.
I doubt this will conclude soon. I saw some CNBC article that said that the short-term losses over on the stock market and I laughed out loud. This chaos has only begun to start.
Taiwan has import duties. The point is that it decreases inbound trade into the country of Taiwan, which harms the US. Read here:
Here’s a quote:
Meanwhile, Cathay United Bank chief economist Lin Chi-chao (林啟超) said the Ministry of Finance should consider lowering the 17.5 percent import tax on automobile and 30 percent tariff on health food as bargaining chips in talks with the U.S.
So, as soon as Taiwan makes a fair deal, the tariff will be resolved and Framework can avoid passing on a fee to customers.
Of course, if that fails to happen then Framework might have to move production to the USA if they want to sell here.
Please keep discussions civil and on-topic with regards to Framework. Off-topic comments will be removed.
So, Taiwans import taxes are already below the 34% of US tariffs, they have no need to decrease their import taxes. The truth is, they will more likely increase it up to 34%, resulting in even less US products sold in Taiwan.
Framework might build up an assembly line in the US, but this will not decrease the price, since all the parts are still imported from other countries. The prices for US customers will instead increase even more: 34% for all the parts plus the cost for the assembly line. So you might see an 50% price increase of Framework products for US costumers.
Besides that, it is impossible to move all production to the US, since they have full employment (unemployment rate is below 5%). The US would not even have enough people to work in the new production sites if everything would be moved to the US.
Please just lock the thread, there is nothing to discuss and the longer this thread goes, the more likely pointless political debate will occur. Framework will make a new thread to announce the impact anyways or can choose to unlock the thread to post an update.
I don’t think it is pointless, it’s education. A lot of US citizens believed Trump when he said: “tariffs will be paid by the foreign countries”. Now, they realizing the truth: tariffs are taxes for US costumers. Unfortunatly, the poor are suffering, not the billionaires.
Due to the new tariffs that came into effect on April 5th, we’re temporarily pausing US sales of a few of our base Framework Laptop 13 systems (Ultra 5 125H and Ryzen 5 7640U). For now, these models will be removed from our US site. We will continue to provide updates as we have them.
May I suggest re-locking the thread and just posting updates?