Actually I asked the same question in the forums upon the announcement of the 16’s pre-orders, and I was told by Nirav that they would in fact have a MUX, but what I could not find (and honestly didn’t expect) was Smart Access Graphics, which is a MUX where rebooting isn’t necessary to switch the output to the built-in screen.
This makes me really excited for my 16 inch model! Bring on the batch 1! 
Sorry, there is no chance that is happening. It will be a few months
Shipping an incomplete, broken product is not amazing for a company’s reputation. How about we just wait
I’d like to know the source backing up this statement. Afaik there haven’t been any official announcements regarding order statistics yet…
I’m not sure if you’re referring to when they get out the first batches or the statement regarding getting out all first 6 batches. I agree with the latter but for the former, from the progress they’ve been sharing, it seems like a matter of maybe ~2 weeks before the first batch gets the email for being charged.
Ah sorry yes I should have been more clear, I meant the latter. It will probably be a few weeks to a month before the first batch, and then optimistically 2 weeks/batch after that. So batch 6 is probably a few months out.
They’ve been doing much better than that for the AMD FW13, and they’ve indicated they expect to be as fast or better for the 16. People have been tracking this, of course. See the graph in this post:
I think it’s safe to expect a rate of about 1 batch/week, hopefully even better.
Fingers crossed 
but FW16 is a pretty new product, they’ve had plenty of practice with FW13. We’ll see, but even 1 week/batch after the first batch ships in (2 weeks? a month?) puts batch 6 2-2.5 months out
Edit: for the record, I think this is a very reasonable timeline and it’s by no means slow. Just trying to ground expectations
I have a feeling that Batch 1 will probably ship no later than January. Its a bit disappointing, as now I’ll have no gaming laptop from the first week of January (I have to return it by the 10th) until the Framework Laptop 16 arrives, but I can’t justify owning two new laptops…
I would hope it isn’t a month before batch 1 ships, but after that I suspect by batch 3 it will be a batch a week like it was with the FW13 AMD.
Certainly when you look at the time period over which they were anticipating delivering the FW16 it was 12 batches in two quarters, which does work out to around 2 weeks/batch, but that was also with the expectation of producing FW13 AMD at the same time for the first quarter.
yeah like as much as I am excited for this product, I still need a laptop at the end of the day so if it doesnt ship by like end of the first week of January, I may need to cancel : (
I am in a similar situation. When I had pre-ordered, I had planned for it to arrive before end of December as I had to go on a vacation and needed a laptop for my studies. If Batch 1 doesn’t start shipping by mid January or so, then I will have to think about cancelling as well.
I’m really holding out hope for a release by mid jan or something, I’m batch 3 and I’ll need it before march so I’m really counting on stuff working out nicely
13 days since the last update. Something tells me they are working head down, even during the holiday period.
FW team I hope you’re prioritizing your well-being, we’re all excited for this product but your personal well-being is far more important!
Thank you for taking the time to thoroughly debug these machines before shipping them out. While I’m definitely jonesing to get my hands on the two 16” that I ordered, I’d much rather wait and get something that doesn’t have quirks than get it sooner and struggle with unknown problems.
You have your priorities right. 
I tried doing an estimate with chatgpt while assuming a smooth production schedule, and starting from december 18, FAI starts on christmas (or later depending on holidays), reviewers get their samples and reviewing finishes around mid-january, and assuming a week per batch people might start seeing their laptops pretty soon, maybe add 1-2 weeks to account for shipping times. im in batch 15 and it estimated me around mid-april to mid-may. i mean im more than happy to wait for a laptop this good lol id rather get a polished product rather than a buggy mess (not to say i wouldnt have fun trying to figure out said bugs lol)
…what?
First of all, that ChatGPT doesnt know the whole story. Why the heck are you using it for this purpose anyway!?
Second, my guess (and this is almost guaranteed at this point) is that we will unfortunately see a delay in the first batch of at least a month. Given the email that just came out last night, it would be impressive and almost impossible for the review samples for reviewers (I wonder who they will be) to arrive to them before the new year. Meaning that thd first batch will be shipped out no earlier than mid to late January 2024.
Am I a bit disappointed because I will be without a good laptop for a notable amount of time? Definitely. Would I take this delay over having an unfinished laptop? Also yes. Also unfortunately, there isn’t an alternative product with proper Linux support, a US ANSI keyboard, and a not 16:9 screen that exists at the moment, apart from the 13 inch Framework Laptop, which at this point I’m just going to keep waiting for the 16 inch model, becuase I prefer having the additional ports, the bonus keyboard and trackpad layouts with number pad option, and the dGPU of the 16 inch.
Now if by some massive stroke of bad luck, the first batch doesn’t make it to even the end of Q1 2024, at that point, I would almost certainly have to cancel, because I would have been waiting almost 9 months for a laptop that hadn’t come yet. But I doubt that bad of a delay will happen for batch 1 orders, and I’m still willing to give Framework the benefit of the doubt, as it seems like they’ve been very transparent about the production process of these laptops, which in this day and age in the laptop OEM industry, is unheard of. And that’s an embarrassment to everybody else!
