Something I forgot earlier but meant to mention, with respect to all the requests for multiple ports per card and folks talking about how you’d lose bandwidth… there are plenty of devices that only need USB 2.0 or even USB 1.0. USB 3.0 cables are still somewhat hard to find (most of the cables for sale are still USB 2.0), and frankly, USB 2.0 is quite acceptable for swapping files with my smart devices or using adb. And I can’t be the only one that uses an external mouse .
Another option would be a dual USB-C card where one of the ports is only power in with the data lines not even connected.
@Alexander_Steffen Welcome to the community! The team have said that Ethernet is a priority, but obviously they’re busy now getting ready for the first shipments of what’s already available. I’d expect to see an Ethernet card possibly late summer, but obviously the team will have a better estimate than my pure guesswork.
Ohhh that’s clever! You could probably 3D-print something that plugs into an expansion slot and clamps something like this docking station to the underside of the laptop:
Smaller options are of course possible as well, and I would probably just dock the Laptop with a single USB-C port 99% of the time. But the basic concept of adding expanded I/O to the underbelly of the Laptop seems very doable and would probably be quite interesting for many.
To be honest though, that doesn’t sound like a 13" Ultrabook, but an 18" desktop replacement. I think for someone with your I/O needs, a docking station is required. Or you have to wait until framework releases a gaming laptop
As I was bemoaning elsewhere, my 13" (okay, I think it’s actually 14", but it’s still a thin-and-light) has: 3 USB 3.1 (2 type A, 1 type C), full-size SD, SIM, mini-DP, full-size HDMI, RJ45 (ethernet), 2 mini-RCA (audio in/out) and power (barrel plug). That’s three less than Whinis, but still…
It also has a 3200×1800 display and a decent keyboard (full-sized arrows, separate page-up/page-down/home/end keys). And a top-tier processor (well, it was when it was new), 32 GB RAM (non-soldered, I want to say) and 2 m.2 slots.
“Ultrabook” doesn’t have to mean “massive compromises”, but I have yet to see anyone making a machine that isn’t a major step backward from what I have. Framework is close, they just need to fix the keyboard and screen and figure out how to add more ports. To be fair, I think the modularity idea isn’t bad, because most people don’t need ten ports, but at least six would be much more practical, especially with only a single m.2 slot onboard.
Alternative power connections would be cool like a mag-safe connector and a standard barrel jack so that I can barrow other peoples chargers to charge the laptop or just reuse the ones I already have.
Here’s a couple ideas/+1’s for things already mentioned:
A 10 key number pad that slots into both of the right side expansion card slots, but has 2 (or more?) expansion slots built into it.
A Framework hub/dock/eGPU combo, a separate case that plugs in to one or both expansion card slots on one side. Said case would have, say, 6-8 expansion card slots in it, with a space inside for a separate, upgradable GPU board (and cooling fan), the same way the Mainboard in the laptop itself is replaceable/upgradable. You could start out with just a hub/dock, with multiple monitors (and mixed port types) and additional I/O if you just need additional screen real estate but not necessarily the extra graphics horsepower, but have the ability to add a more powerful GPU later. Or, if the laptop screen is sufficient but you need the GPU power, have the eGPU setup to drive the internal laptop screen, with lots of extra I/O (or extra storage…) available on the hub.
You could also have the expansion slots be taller than on the laptop, for things like full size Ethernet, VGA, multiple USB ports per expansion card, gpio, etc.
It would probably also make sense to have dedicated power going into the hub/eGPU, and power pass-through to run/charge the laptop.
Sorry, this is a lot longer than I thought. Just excited about the laptop itself and all the other possibilities that could go along with it.
How about a double connected expansion device that has a numeric keypad on top, and pass-through ports on the side or back.
The pass-through ports could be a preselected set, usb-c, usb-a, ethernet, hdmi / displayport, vga, for example.
Or maybe could fit the expansion card standard, so that it could meet needs.
Bonus points if it could be made for the left or right side of the laptop.
An RS-232 expansion card. For those who have to deal with routers &c where this is (annoyingly) still in existence. Oh never mind, I’ll just use USB<–>Serial converters. It’s just that my current (but ancient) HP laptop docking station actually has an RS232 port.
When I asked for a NFC/RFID module, here is what I am looking for:
It should support all five NFC (13.56mhz) forum types (covering ISOs 14443A and B with optional support of 7816 [low priority because ISO 18092 technologies will likely supplant] as well as Felica [low priority]), and ISOs15693 and 18092. This would cover all the current NFC technologies out there while being forward enough to prep for the smartcard transition to a contactless format.
In terms of RFID (125khz), support should be focused around emulator chips such as the t5577 and branch out from there (support all of the chips it can emulate first).
The user should be able to scan the tag through the top of the open laptop–no pulling out an antenna or some such thing–with enough range to couple with a tap (2-3" surface spot) rather than slowly fishing it around for a sweet spot. The module should be able to couple with both traditional and helical antennas. In terms of support from Framework, libraries for C and Python (please!) should be provided.
Similar devices sell for around $200. I would happily pay $300+ to have it be a part of my laptop rather than a peripheral I have to cart around. If two separate modules are required (NFC and RFID) I would expect to pay significantly less and for the ranges to be truly contactless.
If that was supported by the chipset, the regular USB-C passthrough module would offer this functionality already. Otherwise, you’d have to add an additional power input, and at that point you could just charge the phone from that input in the first place.
How big are these modules normally? As NFC and RFID antennas are quite small, it seems plausible to me that something like this could be added to the handrest in a future updated version of the laptop. Or do you think a separate module would be necessary for this?
I couldn’t say, for certain. Most of the really compact devices in this range are of almost no use… They tend to act like a keyboard and just read out UIDs or only work with NDEF records. But a Proxmark easy is a large example of a solid reader (but it won’t couple with helical antennae) the smallest was maybe an inch or two by six. I don’t recall the brand… Some random European company. As I understand it, the Flipper Zero (not yet released) does pretty well with both frequencies AND couples well with helicals.
All that to say, if it could be installed without taking up a module space, so much the better!
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