Will the 11th gen get another BIOS update (soon)?

[Second_Coming]

Looking at some BIOS update dates, I think the 11th gen is due for an update (as well as the 12th gen):
11th Gen 3.20: June 25, 2024
11th Gen 3.19: Aug 31, 2023
11th Gen 3.17: Nov 29, 2022

12th Gen 3.09 (Held): Mar 7, 2025
12th Gen 3.08: Jan 9, 2024

13th Gen 3.06: Dec 23, 2024
13th Gen 3.05: Jul 11, 2024

CUS1 3.04: Oct 24, 2024

FL16 7040 3.04: Aug 1, 2024

FL13 7040 3.07 (Held): Mar 20, 2025
FL13 7040 3.06: Nov 21, 2024

Please at least fix the battery flip/flop charging issue:

[TRACKING] Battery flipping between charging and discharging / Draws from battery even on AC

I have found what I think is the problem in the EC code. Its the function: sustain_switch_mode(enum ec_charge_control_mode mode) It is broken logic in my opinion. The problem is related to the decision points and state changes around the “sustain_soc.upper” point. It seems to ignore the fact that “int soc = charge_get_display_charge() / 10;” does not return a constant value when the battery re-calibrates itself. The value returned will shift up and down slightly over time, thus randomly pu…

The issue was seen as early as Dec 2021:

Laptop loses charge despite being plugged into stock USB-PD adapter while powered on

Laptop details Batch 5, DIY, BIOS v3.06, i7-1165G7 mainboard, stock 2x16gb memory, cards in clockwise order from upper right: USB-C, USB-A, USB-A, USB-C; stock A/C adapter, Arch Linux (SwayWM, BTRFS on LUKS), possibly relevant systemd units enabled: TLP; What’s going wrong I’ve been happily using the Framework laptop for just shy of a month. Yesterday, I noticed that the laptop refused to charge past 93% when I plugged it into my usual charging port (upper left). Confused, I ran: while true;…

[Charlie_6]

If the battery flipping is caused by hardware limitations, a BIOS update isn’t going to fix that

[Second_Coming]

That’s partly [one of] the thing(s)…no official word on the matter. James3 provided an EC code fix / update attempt for other boards.

[Charlie_6]

@Second_Coming

due for an update

I found this a little bit strange. BIOS update are with “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” principle, so it shouldn’t update based on a time interval. Correct me if I’m wrong.

[Second_Coming]

There’s supposed to be a fix for the 61wh → 55wh battery situation.

11th gen is mentioned here:

61Wh battery lifetime extender functionality and warranty

With the high energy density on the 61Wh battery, leaving it at 100% state of charge for an extended period of time can shorten the lifetime of the battery. During the last few months we have seen a small number of users with 61Wh batteries that have experienced early battery swelling. After doing failure analysis with the battery manufacturer, we’ve determined that the issue can be caused by leaving the battery fixed at a high state of charge for an extended period of time. We’re releasing upda…

There’s also this (for example, not sure if we are affected):

ESET Research discovers UEFI Secure Boot bypass vulnerability | ESET

Or this:

INTEL-SA-00814

[Charlie_6]

The solution of this problem and the battery flipping problem are not fully discovered yet.
The unofficial EC code in this forum doesn’t fully fix the battery flipping problem. The cause of the 61Wh downgrade voltage to 55Wh problem isn’t even pinpointed.
The battery extender caused random 100% charge, ignoring manual limit even when switched off. It’s not reliable enough to update.

@Second_Coming

There’s also this (for example, not sure if we are affected):

https://www.eset.com/us/about/newsroom/press-releases/eset-research-discovers-uefi-secure-boot-bypass-vulnerability/

Does framework use anything from this list?

list

Howyar Technologies Inc., Greenware Technologies, Radix Technologies Ltd., SANFONG Inc., Wasay Software Technology Inc., Computer Education System Inc., and Signal Computer GmbH.

[Second_Coming]

We don’t know. Hence the question. Is there anything to look out for?

@Charlie_6

It’s not reliable enough to update.

Tick-tock…

[Charlie_6]

I agree that there are tons of problems that need to fix

[Second_Coming]

@Charlie_6

it shouldn’t update based on a time interval

I agree that it “shouldn’t”…but with the passage of time, more bugs / issues / vulnerabilities are known…generally speaking. Base on “nothing is perfect”.