Well, since Framework is quite blunt in this thread that bios support for the 11th gen will be discontinued after just two years, or at least massively scaled back after all, I have increasingly less hope for this and future Gen 12 updates.
Since the Gen-11 bios issue is about the usability of Intel wifi cards, and a complete mainboard update is advised as solution, I would also call this greenwashing. Then I can better buy cheaper devices with hard-wired Wifi cards and batteries and exchange them when they are older (and after a few Bios updates )
But the sales success of the 16" devices seems to prove Framework right. Maybe they can just do without us few „demanding people“ here in this thread as customers?!
In any case, I’m still curious how Framework will provide the announced business support with such “dedication”.
Sorry if this sounds increasingly frustrated, but currently I am. Both with the lack of updates and with the very questionable information policy. I can’t and don’t want to imply anything with this, but I find it very hard to understand by now that there were two internal test versions and it wasn’t possible to bring out an at least partially corrected beta version in 8 months.
My understanding is that they are currently crazy busy for the FL16 & AMD launches, and they’ll have more time after that.
Now if everybody could stop being so dramatic about it… (and the reality is really deformed in your words, like for example NO nobody from FW is being “blunt” that I can tell)
And no, nothing is being discontinued.
Hell, they even recently released a hardware fix for the 11th gen!
So software will even more continue to be supported, and fixes are expected to be released.
Sure they havent publicly dropped support for the 12th gen, but I almost wish they would explicitly drop support instead of leaving it riddled with vulnerabilities and still calling it supported.
@Mapleleaf :
My own initial wording was „frankly“ when writing about the 11th-Gen-Post, but google translate suggested „blunt“ when I checked my text there and so I used that. English is not my first language so I don‘t always catch all nuances of word meanings. Sorry for that.
Aside from that I don‘t see any deformed reality. I was simply trying to sum up my current impressions and trying to explain why I have them. That these arise from a certain frustration caused by (too?) high expectations I was trying to say in my last sentences.
I can understand why some are being dramatic…one beta release in a year for the 12th gen Intel boards, does not cut it. It is a problem, and I think some may believe that by being dramatic it might actually get the attention it needs. I don’t believe that is the case, but yes continued commenting on having issues with the current state of things is the only outlet customers have left to voice their displeasure with the situation.
None of which are remotely exploitable without extended direct access, so not a huge deal, but yes it absolutely should be taken care of.
Folks, if you have specific, detailed questions you’d like answered about BIOS updates, list them and I will ask the appropriate team.
That said, the linked thread I said I did not forsee a feature update to BIOS happening on that generation is was not stated as fact. It was my assumption. I did not state this as a done deal, that is an engineering question.
I should have been clearer on this. But the issue on that thread was a feature request.
Now, if we can focus on specific concerns, please list them and I will ask the appropriate team for clarification.
If you are experiencing a specific error or another related issue, feel free to open a ticket.
Getting the latest CVE security updates in a timely fashion.
Getting support for the new higher capacity battery.
Getting support for the full power savings functionality mentioned with the HDMI rework mod and/or new DisplayPort firmware.
I personally care more about that last one (and any other potential bug fixes or stability fixes), as that is likely to be the most impactful for my use-case.
To me, the thermal throttling issues are by far my #1 issue, and make the laptop pretty much useless to me for gaming (even light/old gaming; think Stellaris or Age of Empires II). Framework support has been unable to help, even after shipping me a new mainboard. It’s pretty clear to me that this is a firmware issue (or something even lower level if the firmware isn’t responsible).
Been following this for potential fixes with USB-C power negotiation under CPU load changes.
Many threads about the laptop randomly charging/discharging when the CPU spins up seem to nebulously lead to this one, but there’s no clear answer if the BIOS update is expected to fix.
This class of bugs seems to make usb-c useless if plugged into anything that can provide power (hub/monitor), even if it’s also plugged into an official power brick from another usb-c port.
Just replied there, let’s keep that on that thread. Issues an fixes already in that thread need to remain there or we end up with a spider web of mismatched threads.
If you have specific questions, as in security updates or features found on 12th gen, but not 11th, please list your questions as others have done here.
For issues found on other threads, please update your experience or issue there on those affected threads to keep this thread from going off the rails with side-topics.
Bug or issues experienced, please keep those to their original threads as they may have been resolved for the original op(s). That is to be determined on the existing thread.
I did have a specific question on if the 12th gen BIOS update is expected to fix any problems with USB-C power negotiation. I did also waste two hours of my time just yesterday reading other threads before coming to this issue.
On your recommendation I also just posted in another random thread for what it’s worth, but please don’t throw away everything I ask here.
Just trying to keep things in columns we can follow, track, etc. I appreciate you putting it in a USB-C power thread so we can keep things in some resemblance of order for tracking.
A timeline for the BIOS update + Security fixes(Eight+ months in works now, I would like to not keep using beta BIOS forever)
Any work being done for stabilizing LVFS/Fwupd support for linux.
Also a suggestion for the BIOS team, In future BIOS revisions, maybe, security updates and feature updates should be shipped separately, especially for critical security vulnerabilities. Many people frustrated in this thread, are due to lack of security fixes disclosed almost 1 year ago and they are not as comfortable to running beta software.
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