Just curious - has anyone tested using the 3.04 or 3.03 bios?
I think we can still roll back?
My laptop is almost always at 100% so that may explain why I am not seeing the issue. But I can try and roll back and see what the GPU watts looks like at a lower percent.
Mine just shipped, ~7 days after I ordered it.
By the way, the comment above left me a bit confused—is the problem serious, or is this charger fine to use?
Sometimes, I think people can get too caught up in “racing” benchmarks. I’ve been using the Delta 240w charger for a few weeks and it’s fine for me. The battery no longer drains when I’m running games, which is what I’m expecting and a satisfactory result to me.
Based on what I found when documenting the issue above, it would seem that the reason the battery doesn’t drain could be because the laptop isn’t running at full power. The DGPU on my system with the 240W bounces between 73W and 80W, when the framework charger makes the DGPU run at 100W. Performance suffers and the laptop doesn’t appear to be making the best use of the 240W charger while in performance mode.
Try running the laptop in balanced while connected to the 240W charger. I tried it because I had a thought about the original charger not draining while in balanced, and it looks like it gives the DGPU a more normal power usage…
I have updated the GitHub issue with the new findings.
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At least for me on BIOS 3.05, what is happening is if the battery is less than the max charge, then the dGPU will vary in its wattage. When fully charged it is fine, but once it drops a tiny bit, you’ll see frame spikes as the wattage starts to fluctuate for half a second.
Mine shipped yesterday from Digikey (Ordered 28/11/2024, shipped 16/12/2024, about 2.5 weeks while the site indicated 32 weeks from factory).
Now Digikey shows 24 in stock for immediate shipping; get them while they’re hot!
Thanks, reordered from digikey again as Mouser weren’t even trying to look into why they couldn’t supply me the PSU.
Since it doesn’t look like anyone else has posted this example yet, here’s a screenshot of my Framework 16 on Windows drawing power from battery while playing Helldivers 2 on the 180W charger (started playing at 8pm). Didn’t have more sophisticated logging software at the time unfortunately.
I knew a higher wattage charger would be nice, but I was surprised to see the RX 7700S drawing so much power (I guess all those cinematic explosions are pretty demanding). Thanks all for the info on 240W chargers, I’ll be picking one up as well.
Oh no… We had a similar problem with other chargers… looks like this Delta 240
w has the same “stuttering watts” problem…
I recieved my unit today. Can confirm:
-stock 180w Framework charger: 100w dGPU pulling during 3DMark
-Delta 240w: power oscillates between 50 to 100w, as described in another thread.
My bios version is 3.03, now I’ll upgrade and see if it gets better on the newer version.
EDIT: I upgraded to bios 3.05. The charger now works flawlessly. While the stock one, on max performance, while running Furmark + CPU burner (10 threads) pulls ~20W from the battery, the Delta 240W loses 3-5W from the battery while keeping everything at max TDP: 100W GPU and 30-35W CPU. Now I dont have time to test further, I’ll keep you posted.
Got my 240w PSU, now to test it works!
Can confirm that gGPU performance sucks if the 240w charger is plugged in and you try and game at anything less that ~90%
I am going to try and create a ticket for this and get it escalated beyond level 1 to report as a bug…
It looks like the same issue which was raised by Obasav in his earlier comment. He created github issue . There is comment from kiram9 (who works for framework) that he will investigate it try to fix in next release.
Thats much better than the traction I am getting in the support case.
1. May we know if you've followed this guide in installing the Windows 11? [Windows 11 installation on the Framework Laptop 16 DIY Edition](https://guides.frame.work/Guide/Windows+11+Installation+on+the+Framework+Laptop+16+DIY+Edition/305)
2. Check if the charger works stably with other USB-PD devices, if available.
3. If possible, test the laptop with a different 60W or greater USB-PD charger to confirm whether the issue is related to the Delta charger or the laptop.
4. Were you using a dock station, hub, third-party charger, or an eGPU before the issue started? If yes, kindly provide the specifications of the components used.
5. Disconnect any external devices (e.g., USB peripherals, external displays) while using the charger to rule out power conflicts.
6. Fully charge the battery to 100%, then let it drain to 0% under regular use. Recharge to 100% without interruption and see if this stabilizes performance.
7. Try to reproduce the issue with other ports.
These arent all terrible… But I stated when I created the issue that this looks to be a firmware issue… and needed to be sent to engineering. Then I get this…
#6 is the one that makes me mad… as this isn’t healthy for the battery.
A temporary workaround for it (at least from what I’ve seen in my experimenting) is to set the laptop to balanced mode. The dGPU performance will be more stable but may not be the same level you would normally get in performance mode.
This is required for battery calibration. You’re right that with li-ions it produces more wear / stress, but doing it occasionally should not meaningfully impact battery health when normal usage wear is added in.
False for lithium batteries. Thats generally a myth from when ni-cad needed this:
https://saft.com/energizing-iot/lithium-ion-batteries-use-5-more-tips-longer-lifespan
Contrarily to some received ideas, Li-ion batteries don’t have a memory. They don’t need regular full discharge and charge cycles to prolong life. It’s actually the contrary: the smaller the discharge (low DoD), the longer the battery will last, the more cycles it will be able to do.
It’s not about a charge memory like ni-cads had / have.
With Li-ions it’s done to calibrate / recalibrate charge level estimation. Li-ions have a rather flat voltage/charge percent relationship so it harder to gauge current charge level. And with the normal wear that goes on with use, the charge level estimation that the device believes can drift from what is reality. Doing a full zero to 100% cycle allows it to recalibrate it’s charge level estimation.
Whether or not charge level estimation could be an actual an problem here, with this 240w adapter issue, that’s another matter. But just customer service asking one to do a full zero to 100% cycle to recalibrate charge level estimation is not a problem or something to be mad about, in my opinion. It’s likely just a stanadard step they ask people to do when there are presented with some battery or charge issues.