A call on 240w adapter

Quick update: i had some time to test yesterday, and [using the Delta 240w charger] the dGPU power draw looks more stable only if the battery is 100% full. Otherwise the observed issue persists until the charger limit is reached. I suspect that disconnecting the battery via BIOS would make the power draw stable. Will test in the upcoming days. It looks a lot like the PD wizardry has a hard time splitting the load between the charger and the battery.

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Guys, yesterday I had a glimpse of greatness. Of what we could achieve.
I was playing Helldivers 2: 1920x1200 with RSR, AFMF2, high detail, going for 110-120FPS.
Stock 180W charger:
dGPU @ 60-70W in High Performance.
I tried plugging in the 240W. The battery was at 100%.
The FPS jumped to 125-130, the dGPU was at 90-95W.
Cpu at 35-45W. The charger pulled 211W from the wall. It was awesome.
A few minutes later, the battery started discharging, and the usual stutter began again.
We need the fixed firmware for the 240W chargers. It unlocks the full performance out of the laptop.

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That’s an awesome FPS improvement!

I haven’t seen any updates regarding the GitHub issue, so hopefully they’re making good progress on it.

I wonder if it’s a possibility that the DGPU can have its wattage increased to ~120W limit. I suggested it in the GitHub issue along with the firmware fix for charging. I’m not too sure how much of an increase it can make with clock/memory speeds but if it can squeeze a bit more of out the gpu that would be awesome!

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Bear in mind: I was using AFMF2. The ā€œtrueā€ fps increase is ~5.
I think we are already at a ā€œplateauā€; from 70W → 100W the increase in FPS was 5, I don’t think that pushing to 120W will improve much further… 2 FPS maybe?
Anyway, the cooler is very beefy so why the hell not :smiling_imp:

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Perhaps not a big improvement in this GPU, but future ones at a tried-and-true 120W power limit could be a different story

I can’t easily find it in this thread. Has anyone from FW responded to the 240W problem?

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8 posts were merged into an existing topic: Uneven CPU thermals!

I’ve added some more information to the GitHub issue and asked if there has been any progress. I removed the battery and set the laptop into standalone mode while on the 240W adapter and the issue affects both balanced and performance mode, as shown in the new photos.

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I just posted another update to the GitHub issue: DGPU isnt using full power limit on 240W charger while in performance mode Ā· Issue #27 Ā· FrameworkComputer/SoftwareFirmwareIssueTracker Ā· GitHub

More data points and a few different settings to show that performance mode has unstable framerate in all configurations with a 240W charger.

Feel free to add more data to it as you see fit!

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FYI, looks like Texas Instruments just published a video on YouTube about 240W charge controller. We may see more progress in the 240W USBC world soon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qPJmFr-22g

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Just to add another data point, I finally got my hands on the Delta 240w charger and sadly experienced much worse performance than the stock 180w due to large fluctuations in GPU wattage and frames. The battery no longer drains which is great, AND the bottom of the laptop, near the port that’s taking power is noticeably cooler than when the 180w is plugged in. I’d imagine because it’s not able to sustain the wattage.

I was really hoping this was finally going to be a fix for most of the things that make this computer so frustrating to try and game with. Hoping it can be resolved via future firmware.

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Thank you for the data :slightly_smiling_face:

Would you also be able to add your data to the GitHub issue?

If you can provide some graphs and such with it it would be good, but in the GitHub I also have lots of data regarding the performance issues and what specifically seems to be affected.

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Very happy to contribute, and I did peruse that thread. Was really hoping to find a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow when I started reading it today :slight_smile:

I use hwmonitor for keeping an eye on values, but is there a software you’d recommend for capturing it in graph form (windows 11)?

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I’ve personally used hwinfo64 for all my windows logging needs, but I don’t actually have any windows computers in my house anymore :sweat_smile:

Do all the sensors report correctly in HWMonitor?

Just wondering if anyone has heard any updates on fixing this issue.

I haven’t heard anything about it. No updates to the GitHub or new beta firmware out either.

With people having problems with the 240w adapter.
Please can they try ectool
sudo ectool chargecontrol

I am interested as to what the ā€œCharge Modeā€ is saying.
It might be alternating between IDLE and DISCHARGING and NORMAL.
IDLE == Don’t charge, add battery if the PSU is not enough
DISCHARGING == Don’t use the PSU, only used the battery.
NORMAL == Use the PSU, and charge the battery if there is any power left over.

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Mine shows ā€œcharge mode = normalā€ the whole time, while the dGPU vram power state goes all over the place

You can try forcing it to ā€œIDLEā€ with
sudo ectool chargecontrol idle

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