The thing is that you probably won’t see either, you’ll hardly see beefy laptop GPUs over the 150W range (180W being very rare) simply due to thermals, is hard or impossible right now to go over that without making very chonk thermal solutions.
Oculink really is the best of all worlds, huh?
I hope some mad engineer out there finds a way to have switchable Oculink with the dGPU. It’d be ridiculous and absolutely overkill but also cool.
I don’t have battery drain issues in balanced mode.
Is it not possible to manually control the fans?
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Why doesn’t the framework allow fans and thermals to be controlled?
On the other hand, are you aware that the noise and heat problem affects all laptops with a dedicated graphics card?
Almost, it does lack hotplug and usb/power side channels but otherwise yeah it is a pretty good solution for a lot of applications.
It does, it just needs a bit more userfirendy front end software for it.
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It does not on Windows… There is currently no known way of tuning fans.
I thought ectool at least kind of worked on windows but I may be wrong.
ectool? Care to explain? 
You know the program you use to talk to the embedded controller which among other things can be used to mess with the fans.
This would let me finaly go full framework as 7700 just is to low end and so i went to another company if i could get e very good gpu like the 7900m i would be sold.
As for me I went for a FW16 with the 7700s. Yes it is not as powerfull as I would but since it is modular, I will be able to upgrade to any superior model when available while having everything in place working (especially when finetuning linux distro like NixOs) just waiting for the next upgrade with no need to redo all the things over and over like when you change your laptop.
To be honnest, the AMD iGPU is quite impressive and I could have avoided to buy the 7700s but I’m sure I will be able to resell it for a fair price at someone in the community when the next model (better one obviously) will be out.
Framework Team is not idiot and are aware of this thread and what the people ask for. But they have to start somewhere, to make a reputation to gain more deals and collaboration from industrial makers.
When you think about the success of the FW16 sales, I’m sure better dGPU are in the making right now with eventually new partnerships. Even if no new partners, I’m sure the collaboration with AMD will be strengthened and this will allow Framework to have access to better and new GPU models from them.
I’m just waiting for the Framework’s performance to lapse my desktop’s (5950x + 3090) so I can get myself down to 1 device again.
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It’s very close to matching my 2020-built 3700x + 5700 XT in gaming, and I think beats it in video editing. I’m still not considering upgrading my desktop, and since I rarely game on my Framework, there’s even less of a chance I’ll be interested in a new GPU module there either. Talk to me in at least 2 more generations, and we’ll see.
I don’t think it makes sense for Framework to be putting out GPU modules left and right either. There are so many that even if they just stick with AMD, they would be launching new GPU modules faster than any other product they make. That doesn’t make a lot of sense. I bet they go with one per year, at least to start. Maybe they ramp up to two per year, especially if they get another manufacturer on board. I really don’t expect a full, or even a wide range any time soon, and I mean years.
I think the low-end is covered by the iGPU, and the 7700s is a decent mid-ranger, but I would like the option of a more powerful option, like the rumored 7800M or existing 7900M. Or even something from team green. Personally, it would even make it far more likely to get another expansion module (both high-end and mid-range GPU options) instead of solely leaving the single dGPU in all the time.
I know the Framework 16 isn’t currently advertised as a workstation replacement laptop, but as someone who would like more compute for non-gaming workloads, but needs semi-portability, having a powerhog GPU and a travel-friendly option (the 7700s currently) would be great. And since generally new GPU generations only come out every 2-3 years, it’s not like they’d be perpetually designing more GPUs.
Yeah, I think it makes sense to offer a top-end GPU (power permitting). In fact, in this early stage where I think they’ll be hard-pressed to offer more than 1 per year, I feel they should probably only offer a higher power model since the integrated graphics are so good. I haven’t tried gaming on the 780m, but Davinci Resolve runs just fine on it!
I was going to say I still doubt they’ll release another 7000-series GPU, but I didn’t realize how far away we are from the next generation. After taking the 30 seconds to look that up, yeah I think the 7900M makes sense now.
I do not think it makes sense in the case of the Framework 16. There is nearly no way that the Framework 16 can handle the power and especially thermal requirements of such a GPU without significant modification.
The hardware in the Framework 16 is already topping out the thermal limits that the chassis and cooling system can handle. When using my Framework 16, it the entire chassis gets nearly burning hot to the touch after a while.
It would be very difficult to both make significant cooling adjustments and maintain compatibility with the current design so I doubt the Framework 16 will ever have any top of the line GPUs in their selection.
Of course I would love a high end GPU (especially for my 3D rendering projects), but I doubt it is feasible especially when the current cooling system is already struggling to cool their current top of the line system. (Ryzen 9 7940HS + Radeon 7700S).
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The GPU module already adds to the size of the laptop, a bit in height but mainly in depth. I guess, should there ever be a 7900M by or made for Framework, it will be even bigger. And I think, they’re waiting for the next generation of USB C chargers, which are capable of the whole 240w PD 3.1, so your battery doesn’t die midgame.
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I guess I should have also taken the 30 seconds to look up that as well. I flipped, and now I flop back to waiting for the next generation, as far away as it may be.
If what you say is true then there is no point in continuing to sell this frame model. Cooling is basic in a laptop.