You are correct. “Them” might have been too broad a word. But the Hyprland project Discord is full of some extremely gross and reprehensible statements.
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Something that might be worth a new topic is this: what is the state of 3rd party options in the framework ecosystem. With schematics & such available online, part of the promise of framework was that 3rd parties can produce components for framework laptops.
Since I am not inclined to purchase upgrades from framework in the future, I don’t think I actually have many options.
- Expansion bay shells: despite lots of conversation and multiple attempts, the 3rd party oculink shell has yet to materialize
- Main boards: there exist riscv main boards, but those cannot be seen as reasonable competitors to framework’s first party boards. Also the woman who ports Debian to these boards is similarly upset with framework and might stop: Red Lucy: "[Boosts appreciated] Statement on Frameworks spon…" - Wet-Dry World
- IO Modules: a few hobby creations seem to exist, but I’m not sure anyone is producing these at a reasonable scale to compete with framework
- Webcams, chassis, keyboards, etc: Not really anything of note (technically there’s the standalone cooler master case for the 13 mainboard)
- Fancy light grids: a couple
So unfortunately, buying framework still seems to lock you in to a single company, despite the appearances of the platform being open. It probably isn’t in framework’s financial interest to support someone selling mainboards that actually compete with their own, so maybe this isn’t a surprising outcome.
This means I’m stuck with the hardware I currently own, and when it comes to upgrade time it will have been no different than if I had purchased some other, cheaper laptops. 
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I think the only political stance that Vaxry has posited is that agents of massive corporations (IBMRedhat) shouldn’t be telling tiny volunteer open source projects how to moderate.
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If breaking some community guidelines on a forum is the level of “civil disobedience” necessary to voice my distaste and get the company’s attention, I’m willing to make that sacrifice.
Losing a forum account or being banned isn’t that important in the long run.
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On that, I would agree with you. I’m going to disagree on the merits of “civil disobedience” in forum. It is hardly an act of heroism. It impresses nobody and achieves nothing to “fall on your sword” here. You do what you like. Follow your moral compass if it tells you to do so.
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Hardware at scale is expensive. I think the potential customer base needs to be much, much larger for starting up in competition to be worthwhile as anything other than a hobby project.
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There were some screenshots shared in the other threads of some of the conversations happening on the other thread. It doesn’t matter if they are political statements or not. I don’t want to support a company that supports projects run by people who act that way.
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I couldn’t think of a better phrase than that for a very, very low level form of rule breaking that involves disobeying ultimately meaningless rules. I’m certainly not saying I’m making some grand stand or whatever here. This is literally the least I could do in terms of making a difference.
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Because a reduced number of highly political “tech is apolitical” justice warriors are trying to downplay the fears of people that are effectively scared about their physical survival (for some minorities, the current times aren’t really relaxing…)?
And then some of these people freaked out because for them the current rise of fascism is a direct thread and then said … drumroll … the f* word or similar? (this is what I found, if there is more “pretty crazy” stuff I missed, I am sorry)
And as a consequence, they got reported and the thread closed?
I mean, I am a snowflake, too, so I won’t throw a stone, but maybe this perspective helps 
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I certainly don’t agree with the contents of the screenshots, but I also don’t think that every space must be a yuppie juice bar and crack down like the gestapo, khmer rouge, kgb, etc on any objectionable speech. Especially when doing so would push resources away from the actual job, which is building great software. You always have a tradeoff, you can either pay to hire actual impartial moderators, or you can accept volunteers who will be the gestapo, because they’re there to push their agenda, no matter which side they’re on. When you’re a micro-project with maybe around 1600 euros of monthly income, probably not even minimum wage in most of the places, the former isn’t great, and the latter option will often get you kicked out of your own project. Much better to just relax and focus on the software and tell people to just chill out.
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the ceo stated they sent numerous laptops to them. i would count this as monetary support.
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Please please please go read a history book (or maybe a few) to understand what you are comparing people saying “you should tell people to not say misanthropic things” against (spoiler: they didn’t kill or torture the hyprland dev). This is ridiculous and you should be well aware of that.
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Define Them.
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“Civil disobedience” (aka being a good person) on a forum is the first step, albeit a smell one, to making the world a better place.
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what? the people at omarchy. he says it in the other thread.
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It was just unnecessarily vague when there’s already vaguery that’s having to be dispelled.
Oh, so he’s treating them like every other distro there. I hadn’t seen that in the thread. I will say that of that list, at least 5 of them are solidly on the other side, and one is neutral.
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(If everyone believed as you do, then the other side would have 5x as many reasons to abandon them as you do.)
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the other side being people who believe in the things DHH says. id say yeah that is probably where you want to be, dissuading people spreading things like great replacement theory.
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They wanted the Hyprland dev to expel everyone from his forum using extremely strict rules, and in general the parlance for those who apply extremely strict rules would be acting like the gestapo, such as talking about how the local HOA is run by a petty tyrant from the gestapo.
Of course, modern language has screwed that up because suddenly you can’t joke about someone by calling them such things, because people are calling others such things seriously now, even when they haven’t killed someone, and thus marked them as being a valid target for death, given recent murders of people who have been called such things.
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I am begging whatever moderators are online to lock all these threads and cease this pointless debate. Pull a freight forwarding move and ban discussion of this topic and put out a statement on Frameworks position and be done with this.
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