I’m not sure if you’ve noticed but most leftist spaces actually really don’t like either of those countries for being dictatorships and overall just awful lol
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Let’s just see, forced displacement of millions to places they have no connection to, and are not ready to receive them.
Anybody who can’t see how that’d lead to mass death is trolling.
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This is why it is unadvised to call everybody nazi with whom you don’t agree with. Because the nazis are so insidious that they will always do everything in order to destroy you.
I believe that even if you have abhorent views on other people you still can function in a society without much problem.
I avoid DHH because I don’t agree with him, but I also wouldn’t accuse him of mishandling funds with no verifiable information. If it comes out that the funds were mishandled I will be on your side.
I don’t believe that these organizations exist for the purpose of deseminating nazism, and the funds will be used appropiately.
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After reading this I’m willing to agree that the role of DHH is unclear.
GNOME wasn’t born from extremism. It was born from the idea that technology should be open, transparent, and available to everyone.
History shows that important discoveries, inventions, and progress have often come from people or systems we wouldn’t want to morally endorse. For example, both far-right and far-left regimes have produced major scientific and technological breakthroughs; from rocket science and jet propulsion developed under Nazi Germany to early space exploration and computing advances driven by the Soviet Union. We still use those foundations today, but that doesn’t mean we support the ideologies behind them.
We can acknowledge that something valuable came from a problematic source while refusing to align ourselves with similar ideologies or movements now. Supporting a modern company or community that actively promotes extremist or exclusionary ideas; whether far-right or far-left; isn’t the same as using a tool that happens to have historical roots in one.
GNOME now vs GNOME 20 years ago are two very different communities…
@nrp add me to the long list of customers that are absolutely disgusted you’re supporting fascists. I used to proudly tell everyone about my Framework, but that’s over now.
I will not purchase another, nor will I buy any more parts from you.
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as a reminder, personal attacks and operating under bad faith are against the rules of the forum here
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I don’t agree with a lot of the extra left leaning opinions above but that doesn’t mean that I am not tolerant of them. I ain’t far right either. It also doesn’t mean I am looking for Framework to cut off ties with people who don’t agree with me.
If you are asking Framework to take sides, especially if you are expecting them to take a divisive minority political position it is a mistake. That is very intolerant behavior. It’s not good for Framework. You do not want to alienate a large portion of your customer base. If you feel alienated by Framework attempting to stay neutral/tolerant then it’s really your issue.
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There’s nothing wrong with calling a reactionary a reactionary, but neoliberals and zionists have diluted the word “nazi” to beyond worthless. I’ve already seen people in this thread called Tommy Robinson one, even though fascist groups hate his guts for defending zionist Israel
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The Right wing dont like to be equated to Nazi Germany, but they have in every way similar ideology. For example, Israel. It will never be equated to Nazi Germany. But in the pov of the Plestinians, Israel essentially has the same space/adjecent space as Nazi Germany did back in 1930s for the Jews. There are nuances to this discussion, it is not as black and white. But the moral compass remains the same. No one who promotes to hate a community because they have different culture and different religion and languages and skin color, should never be supported.
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Fascist groups dont like Tommy Robinson doesnt mean he is not a fascist. Trump doesnt like Musk, both are fascists.
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Multiple things can be true at the same time. And multiple things can be false at the same time. Understand the nuances.
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Framework recently sponsored and advertised Hyprland and Omarchy, two fairly unremarkable projects unrelated except for the fact that they are led by hateful and (at least in Omarchy’s case) fascist tech bros. See also this thread for everyone voicing their disappointment.
I am still hopeful that the company will change course on this, but Nirav’s recent tweet suggests he doesn’t really care. That’s unacceptable to me, so I’m probably going to have to return my new Framework 16 in the next week. Some people are dismissing this as a “purity test”, but for me (and many others) it’s very simple - Framework is funding people who would love to see my friends dead or deported, and who are using their influence in tech circles to argue for that sort of thing. I refuse to contribute to that funding.
But I still love the idea of a modular, repairable, upgradable, and open-source laptop. So to all the hackers and entrepreneurs out there, I would like you to know: if you started a modular laptop company that directly competed with Framework, but understood the paradox of tolerance, and didn’t sponsor people trying to undermine human rights, you would have my money and support in a heartbeat.
(Note: I understand the Hyprland community and leadership has somewhat improved recently. Great! That does not address the DHH issue.)
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Framework recently sponsored and advertised Hyprland and Omarchy, two fairly unremarkable projects unrelated except for the fact that they are led by hateful and (at least in Omarchy’s case) fascist tech bros. See also this thread for everyone voicing their disappointment.
I am still hopeful that the company will change course on this, but Nirav’s recent tweet suggests he doesn’t really care. That’s unacceptable to me, so I’m probably going to have to return my new Framework 16 in the next week. Some people are dismissing this as a “purity test”, but for me (and many others) it’s very simple - Framework is funding people who would love to see my friends dead or deported, and who are using their influence in tech circles to argue for that sort of thing. I refuse to contribute to that funding.
But I still love the idea of a modular, repairable, upgradable, and open-source laptop. So to all the hackers and entrepreneurs out there, I would like you to know: if you started a modular laptop company that directly competed with Framework, but understood the paradox of tolerance, and didn’t sponsor people trying to undermine human rights, you would have my money and support in a heartbeat.
(Note: I understand the Hyprland community and leadership has somewhat improved recently. Great! That does not address the DHH issue.)
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It’s a troll yeah, the first comment in this thread goes “how does sending people back result in genocide”, which is trivial to google. I don’t think it’s fruitful to take the bait
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It’s not nuanced equating one side of the political spectrum to one horrible thing but not the other that you like. It’s in very bad faith.
I appreciate that.
The whole situation is more complicated than what a loud group of people trying to make it. Ruby Central could’ve handled things better, but Andre, who was running Ruby Central for a long time is not someone I would trust. He did questionable things(sort of extorting funding, etc) in the past and lead Ruby Central to a difficult spot because of his dislike of DHH.
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Hello @Friedrich_Delgado, this was addressed in the thread and the moderation has changed since that old screenshot.
This is a false equivalency. I do not believe that the two projects were created to fund nazism. Your theoretical sticker shop however is.
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