While I disagree, I’m not going to engage with someone on debating what adjectives are more harmful.
What does it matter to my point what people have called him here? You’re thinking I’m arguing something I’m not currently. If a company saw this thread and decided to promote framework in the midst of all this going on, I’d similarly be cautious of their decision making.
I wonder about my safety too. One of the AGAINST here tried to DOXX a person over a disagreement.
Some don’t agree. Must be nazis
Yeah, I don’t think this thread is really facilitating any new discussion at this point. Probably just best to wait for if FW makes a statement (and I feel it’s probably a bad look FW has let it go on this long).
That was directed at me, and I have the reply email that contains the original message in its entirety as evidence.
I flagged it like 600 posts ago telling the mods slow mode would be a good idea but they seem intent on keeping the bickering going
Flagging the original post won’t do anything. What’s done is done
Actually this speaks miles for them, allowing open exchange. Maximum respect for the patience and restraint they have shown.
Thanks for the rundown! I’m probably in the cohort you describe, so even more excited now. I moved from Mac to Linux a few years ago and am ready to try going from GUI to TUI. I use some of the bloatware and have no issues with opinionated software. Got started with Rails.
If there is some hidden agenda, I’d say it’s giving devs an off-ramp from Macs as part of a long running feud between 37signals and Apple.
Sweet, there’s even one specifically for alternatives to Framework:
Nah, if they’d limited this thread to one post per user per hour we would’ve had 400 fewer back and forths that are not going to change anyone’s mind.
I’m very optimistic regarding the situation if the conversations with @nrp are “productive.” That said, I agree that this topic has descended to utter bedlam and I don’t blame the Framework staff for wanting to stay out of this. I think it would do all of us good if we simply logged off and took a break for a few days.
I don’t believe that.
Me too.
everyone has a right to voice their opinion
I believe that, free to say things publicly, not free from consequences.
I do believe that most people who voted for Trump (to refer to US politics) for example are not Nazis
I haven’t said that… though I’m willing to bet most nazis did vote for him.
hate the system
I agree. I hate the system that allows folks like DDH continue to hold power in the community.
You were told by the algorithms that everyone on the other side is a fascist
No… I was told that by what DHH wrote himself, and his support for a fascist.
I have the feeling that more projects will move away from such CoCs, than there will be projects that will move towards such CoCs.
We have built amazing things better and faster without anything like this. So they are indeed not needed for achieving best performance and quality.
Wow, another message with nothing wrong with it flagged enough times to be removed. For a group claiming inclusivity, that’s interesting.
Hopefully @moderators check out the community flags to verify soonish. There’s probably a pretty big backlog on this post alone though 
If someone with the Regular tag flags something by a non-Member, it automatically gets hidden. Either that or it got flagged enough times to be automatically hidden
That’s my reaction too. I’m covering up the framework logo with pro-trans stickers. The next time anyone asks what my laptop is, my answer will not be a positive one. When I get to Europe I’ll get a tariff-free MNT Reform and donate the framework to some charity that can do some good with it. That said, if any part breaks, I’d sooner toss it than purchase a new part from Framework.
Had to remind myself about this, thought there’s a slight chance to be true.
Maybe it is, for some. But when I see the last posts I know it’s most likely just wishful thinking from my side.
I won’t buy one while they provide only Windows pre installed.
Thank you Nirav for not caving in to the mob. Yes, some of us are conservative, libertarian, communist, anarchist and more. Can we all stop being terminally online and just work on making the world more beautiful? Stop all this stupid identity politics shit and let’s focus on positive technology!