As a user of Hyprland, I am glad that Framework is supporting it so it works better on my machine. That is all
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Temporarily and automatically, letâs not imply that Framework is putting the screws to this discussion prematurely.
Also? Can we please keep the discussion constrained to just a few threads? The like feature is adequate to show your support and a deluge of functionally the same post just breaks the community rules and hurts the usability of the forum
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Oh great, thank you so much for the sane, based take that wonât create any hard feeling whatsoever
/s
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Itâs a pity really. I was thinking about buying another framework laptop.
Iâm an anti fascist and wonât give money to a company that supports fascists. Response from framework to those concerns has been severely lacking to say the least, which makes this decision way too easy, unfortunately.
To add another point: People should be well aware by now that fascists around the world are actively sabotaging green energy projects, especially in petro states such as russia and the US, or planning to do so, such as the AfD in germany. So the credibility of framework computers as a sustainable alternative goes down the drain with their support of fascists.
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From what I understand, they only support Hyprland, not Omarchy. The people running the social media just happen to use Omarchy themselves and thus showed it working because they enjoy it.
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Sure it doesâŚexcept all you did was knee-jerk react and spout off without doing anything productive. You violated community guidelines with ad hominem attacks
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In fairness, this company is inherently political and has positioned itself as such. Framework is reaping what it has sown
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Even if that is true (I donât believe it is), it still doesnât justify the misuse of this forum.
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On that, we agree
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Yeah, sure, the hardware doesnât understand politics. Thatâs cool. Itâs why i have a framework laptop.
The people behind it, though, do. The people behind it, give the money to people who do. The people they give the money to, are, now provably, people who would happily, openly and unjustifiably humiliate me in a public setting explicitly linked to the platform their development efforts have afforded them. Theyâre financially supporting people who would exploit their platform to hurt people like me purely for the self-gratification of it.
Pretty good grounds to rip my money away from them and tell them to do better
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I personally donât think that hardware that people can maintain themselves is a political thing. Itâs something that every consumer should want for their own equipment regardless of politics.
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Itâs interesting to watch this same cycle happen over and over again in the gaming industry.
- developer listens to activists and fills game with views most normal people donât care for.
- Normal people do not buy game. Activists wouldnât have bought game in either case.
- Activists absolutely lose their minds on social media, calling everyone the usual phobe/ist.
- Dev studio lays off a ton of employees
- Rince and repeat.
Stay strong, Framework. None of these bullys were going to buy your product anyway, but you have definitely gained customers by being strong in your values.
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I bought a framework about 18 months ago. I had various hardware issues - trackpad required a full input board replacement, bezel didnât quite sit right etc., but I was pretty happy overall because the support eventually provided the replacement parts and it mostly works great (except for occasional 100% kworker cpu usage, which I think I found a workaround for).
However, part of the reason I was happy despite the hardware issues was because I agreed with the overall goal of a repairable laptop, so a bit of friction dealing with replacement parts and opening it up about 20 times to send photos to support and similar was worth it.
Itâs not worth it if Framework gives financial and PR support to fascists (and dhhâs open support for Tommy Robinson, as well as spreading of âGreat Replacementâ is hard evidence of this, this isnât just someone a bit right wing). So I wonât be buying another one or anything else from Framework unless that changes.
And itâs not just the sponsorships themselves, but the terrible response to it being pointed out.
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I dont think Framework will engage in the conversation through the forums, or at least user threads. It was more of a visual use of the tool, but I get your point: the discussion will happen to some extent in the original post
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And it should be constrained there per the community guidelines that we all agreed to abide by when posting here
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Completely fair
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I couldnât be more proud of Frameworkâs big tent approach.
Calling people who disagree with you a âfascistâ is disgusting and inappropriate given the current issue of political violence weâve seen in recent weeks and months.
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I was in batch 5 of the original FW13 11th gen. I spent a fair bit of time helping other users and socializing about Framework with friends and colleagues. If this shipâs direction does not change I will no longer be continuing to do so. Very unfortunate that we continue to platform people who spread hateful and harmful rhetoric about others because of who they are or where they were born.
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This is the only point on which I would like to defend them. The original thread was opened about 12 hours ago, around 7:25 pm local time for Frameworkâs headquarters in San Francisco, so after the usual business hours. Most of what has unfolded since then was during the night for them and it will probably be another hour or so until they get back to the office. Letâs give them time to think about a proper reply that is a bit more well thought out than what Nirav originally wrote.
Other than that, I mostly agree. We all canât always avoid using software made by people we donât like (hint: this forum runs on Rails so it probably wouldnât exist without DHHâs contributions) but at least we shouldnât give them money and advertise them.
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