How’s everyone’s [61Wh] battery health and wear looking?

Framework Laptop 13
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Inspired from the 55Wh thread, I’m curious about everyone’s 61Wh battery wear, so here’s the thread.

Please post relevant working condition, usage style and/or environment that positively or negatively contribute to the battery wear.

Bought the laptop on February 2024(could anyone tell me where to read the batch number), after one year of daily use, my battery has 91% health.

ectool:

Battery 0 info:
  OEM name:               NVT
  Model number:           FRANGWAT01
  Chemistry   :           LION
  Serial number:          0035
  Design capacity:        3915 mAh
  Last full charge:       3575 mAh
  Design output voltage   15480 mV
  Cycle count             129
  Present voltage         16548 mV
  Present current         58 mA
  Remaining capacity      2681 mAh
  Desired voltage         17600 mV
  Desired current         3915 mA
  Flags                   0x07 AC_PRESENT BATT_PRESENT DISCHARGING

upower:

  native-path:          BAT1
  vendor:               NVT
  model:                FRANGWA
  serial:               [redacted]
  power supply:         yes
  updated:              Wed 05 Feb 2025 08:17:16 PM AEDT (12 seconds ago)
  has history:          yes
  has statistics:       yes
  battery
    present:             yes
    rechargeable:        yes
    state:               charging
    warning-level:       none
    energy:              41.5174 Wh
    energy-empty:        0 Wh
    energy-full:         55.341 Wh
    energy-full-design:  60.6042 Wh
    energy-rate:         0.86688 W
    voltage:             16.576 V
    charge-cycles:       129
    time to full:        15.9 hours
    percentage:          75%
    capacity:            91.3155%
    technology:          lithium-ion
    icon-name:          'battery-full-charging-symbolic'
  History (rate):
    1738747036  0.867   charging
    1738747006  1.687   discharging
    1738746976  1.455   discharging
    1738746946  0.325   charging

TLP:

--- TLP 1.7.0 --------------------------------------------

+++ Battery Care
Plugin: generic
Supported features: none available

+++ Battery Status: BAT1
/sys/class/power_supply/BAT1/manufacturer                   = NVT
/sys/class/power_supply/BAT1/model_name                     = FRANGWA
/sys/class/power_supply/BAT1/cycle_count                    =    130
/sys/class/power_supply/BAT1/charge_full_design             =   3915 [mAh]
/sys/class/power_supply/BAT1/charge_full                    =   3593 [mAh]
/sys/class/power_supply/BAT1/charge_now                     =   2697 [mAh]
/sys/class/power_supply/BAT1/current_now                    =      0 [mA]
/sys/class/power_supply/BAT1/status                         = Charging

/sys/class/power_supply/BAT1/charge_control_start_threshold = (not available) 
/sys/class/power_supply/BAT1/charge_control_end_threshold   = (not available) 

Charge                                                      =   75.1 [%]
Capacity                                                    =   91.8 [%]

Power supply: The use of low-wattage supply can leads to battery charge-discharge cycle
I used 60W, 65W and 100W power brick most of the time(Good). Used low-wattage ones down to 18W occasionally(less than ten times).

Power management: Affects runtime, might affect wear due to temperature increase
Balance performance on AC and balance power on battery.

Load: higher load increases temperature and high drain(on battery) negatively affects wear
I used this Framework Laptop 13 as my gaming laptop (bad).

Charge limit %: A lower % decreases wear
75% most of the time, charged to 90% less than 10 times, 100% less than 5 times(good). The open-circuit voltage at 75% is about 4.12V

Ambient temperature: Ideal charging temperature is at about 23°C to 25°C, too hot or too cold degrades the battery faster
Temperate environment, from 18°C to 30°C, mostly indoor use (good).

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I have an AMD Ryzen 7 7840U from November 2023. Heath is 96% after 240 cycles. My stats:

  native-path:          BAT1
  vendor:               NVT
  model:                FRANGWA
  serial:               0136
  power supply:         yes
  updated:              di 11 feb 2025 22:47:25 CET (12 seconds ago)
  has history:          yes
  has statistics:       yes
  battery
    present:             yes
    rechargeable:        yes
    state:               discharging
    warning-level:       none
    energy:              44,5979 Wh
    energy-empty:        0 Wh
    energy-full:         58,2203 Wh
    energy-full-design:  60,6042 Wh
    energy-rate:         5,61924 W
    voltage:             16,116 V
    charge-cycles:       240
    time to empty:       7,9 hours
    percentage:          76%
    capacity:            96,0664%
    technology:          lithium-ion
    icon-name:          'battery-full-symbolic'

I use a wide variety of chargers, but mostly a 65W brick and a 45W portable charger.

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Same model here (AMD Ryzen 7 7840U from end of October 2023). I’m down to 93% after 200 cycles. I’m using it plugged-in a lot, not sure how deep I need to discharge it for a cycle to be counted. Charge limit set to 80%.

Output of sudo upower --dump:

Device: /org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/battery_BAT1
  native-path:          BAT1
  vendor:               NVT
  model:                FRANGWA
  serial:               0171
  power supply:         yes
  updated:              jeu. 06 mars 2025 14:23:17 (0 seconds ago)
  has history:          yes
  has statistics:       yes
  battery
    present:             yes
    rechargeable:        yes
    state:               charging
    warning-level:       none
    energy:              45,2171 Wh
    energy-empty:        0 Wh
    energy-full:         56,4401 Wh
    energy-full-design:  60,6042 Wh
    energy-rate:         0 W
    voltage:             16,743 V
    charge-cycles:       200
    percentage:          80%
    capacity:            93,129%
    technology:          lithium-ion
    icon-name:          'battery-full-charging-symbolic'
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I had thought my 61Wh battery was in bad health because it sat gathering dust for something like a year before I got round to installing it in my Framework 13 (12th Gen). This was partially because IIRC it took a while before a BIOS new enough to support it became available, although the main reason was just laziness / disorganization.

In general it feels like I get pretty poor life out of it, and I was assuming that leaving it uncharged for a year or so was the cause. However, after finding this thread and running commands to gather stats, I think those tools are telling me that it’s in perfect health. Am I right?

$ upower -i /org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/battery_BAT1
  native-path:          BAT1
  vendor:               NVT
  model:                FRANGWA
  serial:               024F
  power supply:         yes
  updated:              Sat 15 Mar 2025 19:36:08 GMT (11 seconds ago)
  has history:          yes
  has statistics:       yes
  battery
    present:             yes
    rechargeable:        yes
    state:               discharging
    warning-level:       none
    energy:              606.661 Wh
    energy-empty:        0 Wh
    energy-full:         606.816 Wh
    energy-full-design:  606.042 Wh
    energy-rate:         1.935 W
    voltage:             17.816 V
    charge-cycles:       59
    time to empty:       13.1 days
    percentage:          99%
    capacity:            100%
    technology:          lithium-ion
    icon-name:          'battery-full-symbolic'
  History (rate):
    1742067368  1.935   discharging
    1742067338  1.966   discharging
    1742067308  2.012   discharging
    1742067278  1.997   discharging

and

$ sudo tlp-stat -b
--- TLP 1.6.1 --------------------------------------------

+++ Battery Care
Plugin: generic
Supported features: none available

+++ Battery Status: BAT1
/sys/class/power_supply/BAT1/manufacturer                   = NVT
/sys/class/power_supply/BAT1/model_name                     = FRANGWA
/sys/class/power_supply/BAT1/cycle_count                    =     59
/sys/class/power_supply/BAT1/charge_full_design             =  39150 [mAh]
/sys/class/power_supply/BAT1/charge_full                    =  39200 [mAh]
/sys/class/power_supply/BAT1/charge_now                     =  39190 [mAh]
/sys/class/power_supply/BAT1/current_now                    =    127 [mA]
/sys/class/power_supply/BAT1/status                         = Discharging

/sys/class/power_supply/BAT1/charge_control_start_threshold = (not available)
/sys/class/power_supply/BAT1/charge_control_end_threshold   = (not available)

Charge                                                      =  100.0 [%]
Capacity                                                    =  100.1 [%]

BTW I’m pretty confused why upower is claiming 600Wh rather than 60Wh.

If this is indeed telling me the battery’s in perfect health, then I guess either my OS is far from optimized, or my expectations are way too high. At the moment I think I generally only get something like 4 or 5 hours on battery. I am running the new hi-res screen, usually at full brightness, so maybe that’s something to do with it.

Also, estimated time left (13 days) is of course wildly off, but for some reason the estimation mechanism has never worked for me (running openSUSE Tumbleweed with XFCE4 here). So I’ve had to completely ignore it, which is really annoying, especially considering that sometimes it will die completely before suspending or even warning me of low battery. I’ve no idea if there’s a way to fix this.

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That should be ‘can lead to’.

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The YouTube channel Elevated Systems showed quite conclusively that the new screen does come with a battery life hit, unfortunately. That combined with running your brightness at full tilt makes 4-5 hours sound reasonable considering you’re also using the laptop for various tasks as opposed to just running it to see how long it lasts.

Admittedly I’m still using the original 52 wh battery, but I like to check threads as I was hoping to (eventually) upgrade to a 61. I just run Linux Mint off of mine, but the projected runtimes I get seem pretty accurate. Ironically mine only runs about as long as yours does, and that’s with the original screen and battery after a few years’ worth of use. Gets around 6 hours or so if I turn brightness down and keyboard illumination off (which I usually do).

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Your TLP claimed 39150mAh and V*mAh=Wh, so battery runtime is estimated to be 10 times longer

What’s your kernel version?

I’ll stay on 2256*1504 too. Performance is capped by the iGPU anyway

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Cycle count is cumulative, if you discharge 20% then 70%, another 10% will increase the count by one.

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I only have a 61wh battery in my UMPC project and I keep the charge limited to only 60% because i am really worried about swelling. I mention all this as it explains the battery capacity loss a bit better. I think this has only ever been fully charged one to five times.

Here is the upower output:

Device: /org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/line_power_ACAD
native-path: ACAD
power supply: yes
updated: Tue 25 Mar 2025 08:34:47 AM CET (306 seconds ago)
has history: no
has statistics: no
line-power
warning-level: none
online: yes
icon-name: ‘ac-adapter-symbolic’

Device: /org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/battery_BAT1
native-path: BAT1
vendor: NVT
model: FRANGWA
serial: 020A
power supply: yes
updated: Tue 25 Mar 2025 08:39:44 AM CET (9 seconds ago)
has history: yes
has statistics: yes
battery
present: yes
rechargeable: yes
state: discharging
warning-level: none
energy: 33.8238 Wh
energy-empty: 0 Wh
energy-full: 56.084 Wh
energy-full-design: 60.6042 Wh
energy-rate: 1.74924 W
voltage: 15.82 V
charge-cycles: 82
time to empty: 19.3 hours
percentage: 60%
capacity: 92.5415%
technology: lithium-ion
icon-name: ‘battery-full-symbolic’
History (rate):
1742888384 1.749 discharging
1742888354 1.718 discharging
1742888324 1.656 discharging
1742888294 1.749 discharging

So not too bad. I have had this battery for over a year old (started using it in Dec of 2023) and it has been constantly getting power cycled. That I have so few cycles is becuase of how low I have the charge limit set to.