Introducing the Framework Laptop 16

Are there any plans for a touchscreen and/or a 360 hinge?

Even though a framework tablet might not be in the card right now, this would be a great to compromise for most touchscreen users

I have some years old magnesium parts from a projector here in the tropics that develop a white crystallization on the the surface when just sitting in a box without any other chemicals present. So there is something, perhaps oxidation followed up by a fungus/bacteria working on that oxide. It is only on the surface and stops/slows when disinfected and isolated from the hot humid air.

Love that the Framework Laptop 16 looks professional. I’ve always wanted a gaming laptop, but they’re usually sinfully ugly. :face_vomiting:

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Cheers, I will expand my horizon on that facet! So far, I have only been looking at the casting methods.

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The reason I assumed it was organic is because of the spider web like pattern of the oxidation, similar to fungus growing inside old camera lenses.

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That’s the fastest I can find on the market, too. I think that the performance hit would be only a few percent most of the time - there are only a few applications where benchmarks show a major impact if TechPowerUp is to be believed. Seems worth the hit.

Shut up and take my money.

AI/ML development. Please validate on current Ubuntu LTS.

Intel: arc770m or higher-vram successor
Nvidia: Theoretical mobile variant of RTX 6000 Ada.

AMD has let their software stack bitrot. I don’t expect to shell out money for an AMD GPU.

A final quick point from my side: I just read that framework has connections to the ecosystem necessary for building own laptop GPU modules. In any case, to the extent that framework can influence future GPUs available, please, please lay a heavy focus on VRAM… We have all been suffering from GPUs being put out by Nvidia lately that clearly miss VRAM, clearly.

For late 2023, I would say 12gb is solid, 16gb would go into direction of futureproofing (to later being used as an EGPU). I still remember when people bought 1000 USD graphics cards and were then not allowed to use HD textures in AAA titles… I honestly believe high VRAM will also help to reduce e-waste in the future.

If we can have a slightly bigger screen and if Nvidia VRAM shortage is avoided, I don’t have anything else to say ;)…

Very likely going to be the first laptop in my life that I pre-order.

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The “16Inch Framework laptop” looks really enticing and exciting, though I wondered, if one excitation bay on either side (big extension bay), could have been, so it would be possible to fit a slim DVD player (since I really don’t like to carry dongles), and when not needed, it could be via another extension bay, either slot in a 2.5inch Drive (Sata SSD), or the standard USB-C dual port bay (just like now).
This is just a small idea (wish, if from me.) but I’m pretty sure that there are a lot of people who don’t need a “big extension bay”. :frowning:

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what I meant by that would be a DVD player slim slot, that can also be filled with other slottable stuff: Optical disc drive - Wikipedia

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I’m really loving this new design and the massive step up in scope of the project, but could we please have some better naming schemes? Like, could one of the models be called “Framework Theseus” or something cool like that? oh well, If my only complaint is that the name could be better, I think they’re doing pretty well. I’m considering passing off my old 13" to my brother or possibly running Klipper on it as a console for my Ender 3.

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ooh.
A really large section sticking out the back might do the job. Or a full-on “bottom plate”.
I honestly don’t think that one will make it. And honestly I’m fine with that.

I have a slim Dell DW 316 external. When spinning cheap disks at 16x (such as Windows installs) the vibration is so bad it will scoot across the desk even though it has thick rubber feet. I have to put a book on top. And the internal tray, while having suspension, would shake on its own and making a awful lot of noise, you can hear it from next door. For someone that reads/write disks very frequently none of this is really acceptable.

A 5.25 inch desktop drive with a adapter/dock is probably my go-to if I want to read disks frequently. They are metal, nicely built and heavy (so they wont move around), and have auto retraction.

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so true, those 5.25 inch CD/DVD drive bays for desktop use, are very nice. :smiling_face:

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Watching both Gamers Nexus and Linus talk about their editors using gaming laptops for editing on the road, I think another major benefit to the Framework 16 is that it doesn’t have the obnoxious gamer aesthetics plastered all over it. We still don’t know the price or specs, but I have to imagine a lot of professionals would prefer a more discreet laptop whose keyboard doesn’t clack loudly while attending a presentation at a convention.

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@IndependentGeorge Agree entirely, I think it looks tasteful even for what it’s designed for…

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Glossy 4K OLED panel like this and I’ll buy it day one:

I know it most likely won’t happen (for logistical and pricing reasons, and frankly most people are fine with or even prefer LCDs), but that’s the only thing missing for me.

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Well dang… literally JUST opened up my ‘new’ (bought months ago but been sitting in its box since cos I couldn’t face the HUGE learning curve coming from Mac) 13" and now I see what I would’ve bought to replace my 2012 15" MBP…

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Is there any estimate as to the cost and timeframe?

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While it is true that desktop grade gpu’s offer more performance but seeing as the thunderbolt 3/4 limitation is pcie x4 I would argue that the performance wouldn’t be that much more. I don’t think it’d be worth the 300 to 400 dollars extra for the external GPU enclosure and the additional GPU you would have to purchase.

The Dell G-series I used to look pretty forward to, as they are pretty low-key.
They are still low-key, compared to regular gaming laptops like RoG or Legion, but they start to show “flamboyant sticking-out pieces”.