What specifics are you looking for?
Intel obfuscates this for marketing reasons (they’ve been known to re-use the same GPU with very minor tweaks for several CPU generations, and yes AMD does it too with APU graphics (friggin Vega…)). Your best chance is looking at the EU count, then trying to find out through reviews if the nth generation graphics core is the same as the n+1th generation graphics core. A lot of times you can get a hint from the DirectX feature set, but here it’s the same.
tl;dr- I would expect very similar integrated graphics performance between the two generations.
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The GPUs are essentially the same from 11th gen to 12th gen. There’s a small speed increase with the Core i7s but they’re otherwise identical.
The Core i5 comes with 80 EUs, the Core i7s 96 EUs, like before. Just a slight speed increase with the Core i7s.
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I’m not sure what rigidity means here? I don’t consider the current cover flimsy. I do wish the hinges were more robust. When I’m traveling and the floor is vibrating the display vibrates ack and forth, which I didn’t experenance with a Dell XPS laptop.
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My guess is that it could, in part, means the depression / flex of the cover when you press on the logo. That portion of the cover is substantially ‘flexier’ than a lot of other laptops in the similar price range.
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The Framework team just answered this for me.
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Ah, that’s exactly it. I didn’t even notice that until I pressed on it just now. Extremally minor thing. A good fix for new builds, but not work the cost/hassle of replacing it, at least to me.
Now, I just wish they would make the hinges stronger…
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Is it correct to interpret that as the optimizations made (for standby) isn’t substantial?
(I think I’ve reached max replies per day as a new user, so responding here instead)
I think the mentality is shifting in the science and manufacturing industry in this regard. Those who create the material / good has some degree of responsibility to participate in the larger recycling / repurpose / up-purpose cycle. At the moment, Framework components / parts is only on the output path.
Don’t think it’s unreasonable for Framework to, maybe, partner up with a combination of 3rd party organizations to at least repurpose the hardware as fully usable systems (say, for schools). Those loose parts (boards, cover, fans…etc) could be aggregated / collected and re-assemble for extended usable system…full systems.
i.e. It’s not abnormal that consumers require various channels to redirect their wastes…like any recycling program in your cities. Consumers are not the recycling facilities.
The ‘end of life’ handling is missing here. (end of life for one user’s relationship with the hardware, and the end of life of the hardware)
Plastic recycling, as an example (as the material itself is rather long lasting):
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Seems like good luck to me. Now you have the option of buying what you previously wanted for cheaper or something better.
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Nice work! Quite happy where I am at the moment performance wise. I’ll maybe look this time next year and pick up a 12th gen board someone is offloading…
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If you decide not to cancel and upgrade, you should contact support and ask if they can refund part of the price you paid. Now that the 12th Gen board has been released, the 11th Gen boards are cheaper, and support has refunded the price difference to people who received their order within (I think) 30 days prior to the new launch.
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Congrats on the launch! I’m incredibly impressed with the upgrade kits. It’s the complete opposite of planned obsolescence! I was awestruck when I saw it.
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Can you please elaborate on these alternatives? For me the hinges are also not stiff enough.
I dont have the 11th gen hardware to have some kind of baseline of its capabilities on my head. I have no idea of what kind games (& at what fidelity) I could play with this hardware.
As a linux person I wish Framework offered a keyboard without the lame windows logo on the Super button.
I pre-ordered the new DIY, 12th gen version last night. This will be my first framework device. Sadly I didnt pre-order it in time to make it with Batch 1 that ships in July. Really looking forward to my new laptop in August.
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Here’s a detailed review with benchmarks of the 11th gen Iris Xe - the 12th gen will be identical, just a little faster for the Core i7s.
In short, this integrated graphics is much better than it used to be and you can play games on it. It’s no dedicated GPU, of course, and make sure you have dual-channel memory (two matched sticks).
True, I shouldn’t upgrade now then. Looking back, maybe I shouldn’t have supported Framework as early as an early adopter.
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I’m pretty disappointed that you came out with a new Intel mainboard before providing an AMD one. At this point I’m pretty close to selling off my framework and buying a replacement from another vendor. Intel sucks at graphics and battery life, two things that are important for me. Will we get an AMD edition soon?
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I understand your frustration but there are reasons for this and good ones too. The easiest explanation is that Intel is a much larger company and is able to provide much more engineering support than AMD when designing new boards so if you only have the money to design one new board that means Intel
Ryzen 6000 is also DDR5 only, so to please possible new customers with new AMD products, they would invariably annoy some established customers with DDR4 boards that want to upgrade and re-use old parts(in-line with Framework’s established design principles)
DDR5 is also VERY expensive at the moment so that would also raise the price of their laptops, something no business wants to do and Framework being small is much less capable of absorbing cost increases like that
TBH, I wasn’t expecting Alder Lake for at least another 2 months (which would’ve annoyed me) so I would expect Ryzen boards to pop up in 6 months or so, a year at most
I understand your frustration, I felt like I was waiting forever for Alder Lake but until Framework gets bigger, there will always be a delay between the bigger players and Framework
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