Just beep out where the found pins are, that’ll allready tell you if the pinout is completely different from the defactor standard lcds use.
No idea, got a link for one?
I’m not sure what you mean with those instructions
I couldn’t find a link to one I saw the other day.
If I understand correctly, pins 18-21 are the ones you mean that need the different voltage?
Put meter into continuity mode, touch one probe to the mettal connector housing (that’s grounded) and touch the other pins with the other probe and note where it beeps, you’ll likely find the ground pins aren’t in the same place as they are on regular lcds.
That’s where they would be on the normal lcd pinout, on the 2k oled panel pin 36 and 37 are panel power and the backlight enable and bist enable pins need 1.8v signal levels instead of the regular 3.3 level so you’ll need a level shifter for those signals. Pin 18-21 is in the middle of the dp signal area on the oled. But I would not recommend trying to mess with an oled panel without the datasheet at this point, they are expensive and have a lot of ways to blow them up.
OK, I understand what you’re trying to say lot better now. I’ve sent a datasheet request through.
This looks a lot like the pinout on my samsung, would definitely short the power rails to ground on the normal pinout. Also 1 is on the other XD
Right to left, according to VESA. A datasheet for another Samsung OLED i found also seems to match mine if I read it as right to left.
Samsung datasheet counts from the arrow indicator but detail as long as you choose the right side and you did identify which side is which in this case.
I think that if there was space on the Framework laptop 16 to add electrical adapters for various display types, people could start to plug almost any display they wished into the Framework laptop 16, assuming they can make bezels to match. So, maybe ask the Framework team if they could add such a space in the Framework laptop 16 for this.
One could save waste, by bringing a laptop display from a previous laptop and reuse it and attach it to the Framework laptop 16, thus saving money and waste of laptop screens.
I want an OLED ideally. I don’t trust LED backlights to not flicker when VRR is working. Also VRR of course. HDR is a nice to have now that Windows 11 handles it decently. Resolution isn’t important to me since OLEDs never come in low PPI formats anyway
Ironically most oled laptop panels that are currently out have brutal pwm (below 100% brightness) to those that are sensitive to it.
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Good to know. I’ve only used TVs and desktop displays so I wouldn’t know. Definitely hoping for an option that doesn’t do that then.
Just wondering if there are any plans for an OLED screen option? I want to move from my Macbook because one of the keys has stopped working and Apple wants too much money for the repair. However the screen on this laptop is total crap when compared to the Macbook and it’s matte as well which doesn’t help. Obviously it is probably pretty impossible to source an LCD as good as what Apple is using, but surely OLED is an easier option that will almost be as good?
Thanks.
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Nothing has been announced or officially talked about, so there’s really nothing to provide other than speculation at this time.
Heres some of that baseless speculation, lol. Considering that the 16" Framework laptop isn’t even out yet, I think an OLED option isn’t likely to be available any time soon, even if they do plan to offer one eventually.
I see no reason why Framework couldn’t source a display as good as what Apple puts in their MacBook pros (in fact, I’d say the display IS as good as what Apple use in the Air). Unfortunately, everything is a compromise. They have to balance cost, performance, battery life, customer preference, etc. I only mention customer preference because they actually did surveys and found that the majority of respondents preferred a matte display. Many people prefer glossy displays, but unfortunately, it’s not likely feasible for them to offer multiple options at this time. So they went with the more popular option. I remember when the Framework 13 first came out a couple years ago and only had a glossy display option. The forums were filled with people asking for a matte display or saying they wouldn’t buy until a matte display was an option. Like I said, no one configuration will work for everyone. Unfortunately, they can’t offer multiple configurations right now.
I don’t know if it was for the Framework 16" or the 13", but someone in the community did find an OLED panel from the same manufacturer that Framework sources their panels from and it’s supposedly the same size and has the same connector. No idea of the cost or if the company would even sell a single panel to an individual, nor can we be positive it would work if someone did get their hands on one. But maybe it will be an option at some point.
For now, I think the 165hz panel they went with is a pretty good compromise. Reasonably high resolution, fairly high refresh rate, and very bright for a standard panel. And probably a lot lower cost compared to the mini-LED panel that Apple puts in their 16" pro.
Personally, I wouldn’t want an OLED panel in a laptop. I know, the burn-in issue isn’t as big of an issue in a laptop with an easily replaceable display, and OLED displays have gotten better about resisting burn-in. But I would never be able to stop thinking about it, lol. But I know they can look fantastic (some would argue, better than the mini-LED display Apple uses, though not nearly as high peak brightness).
I think burn on on OLEDs is only really relevant if you are say for example a Best Buy showing the same video on loop for months at a time. Anecdotally, I’ve owned a few OLED devices mostly used for content consumption and the UI of Twitch / Youtube has a lot of static elements that should have burned in to the image but this never happened. I also still have a Plasma TV and this does experience burn in but at least it’s temporary.
Technically it’s image retention, not burn in. Burn in you’d see on something like a Airport Departure board where the titles and gridlines never change.
I’ve been using a Plasma TV for well over 10 years. Game HUDs are about the only thing that cause it on mine nowadays (eg rev counter in a Forza game) and the faint ghosting is usually gone within a couple of minutes when you change to something else.
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You might be thinking of a comment that I shared.
I’ve done a lot of searching for potential compatible displays. I haven’t found any display that perfectly matches what you described, however I have found two Mini LED panels (BOE NE160QDM-NM1 and BOE NE160QDM-NM4) from the same manufacturer that Framework sources their current panels from that seem to be the same size and likely have the same connector. I’ve also found a few 4k OLED panels from Samsung that seem to be the correct dimensions and might have the correct connector (the data sheets I’ve seen aren’t very detailed for the Samsung panels).
Panel manufacturers usually only sell in bulk, but it is pretty common for some random company to buy the panels in bulk and then sell them individually on AliExpress.
For example I just searched NE160QDM-NM4 (which is the model of a high-end 240 Hz Mini-LED panel that I suspect may work in the Framework 16) and found this listing for it.
Although we won’t know if that works until someone tries it.
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Yup, I remembered you talking about it, but couldn’t remember the thread. Thanks for popping in here and correcting me and sharing your findings again. I probably should have searched a bit more.
I do not have any burn in issues on my LG I’ve been using for years on my PC. You just have to make the background black and do some mods to Windows downloding Winaero Tweaker and turning the accent border thing to black, which Windows doesn’t let you do by default. That way you can snap everything and there is no static images on screen. Obviously using things like a dynamic wallpaper helps and having the display to auto turn off, just in case something bugs out and a static image gets put on.
The main problem I have with OLED is they’re not uniform like high end LCDs are. I’m guessing the real high end OLEDs are, but then cost several grand +. Where as the new Macbook Pro screens are uniform throughout, and on OLED you get problems especially with dark greys.
I’m using an OLED on a 16" ASUS ProArt right now. I like the black levels, but I’m pretty sure I’m suffering from much more eye-strain in using it since switching from a normal LCD. I’m going to be glad to go back to a non-PWM screen even if I lose some of the vibrancy, it’s just not worth the headaches.
This’ll depend on if you’re actually sensitive to PWM of course, but just to note, it’s not just burn-in that OLED has issues with.