So I was right for the startin price but 90 € to optimistic for the i5.
With 16GB DDR5-5600 for 40 € and 100 € for the 1TB SN770M you can get a repairable 2 in 1 for 710 € (without Windows). I think thats a really fair price.
For about 700 € you can get a comparable HP Pavilion x360 14’’ 2 in 1 with 512 GB SSD and 8 GB soldered RAM but i5 1335U. It wheys 1,5 kg and has no MIL-STD-810 certification.
I am a bit confused about the price for storage and ram…
It seems like I can get good storage and good ram for much cheaper somewhere else…
Am I missing something?
You probably aren’t missing anything. Even Framework said that due to various circumstances, if you are getting a DIY unit, you’re probably better off to get RAM and storage from other sources.
Thanks, I just placed the preorder.
United States preorders start tomorrow!! Very exciting 
Framework has already disclosed that DIY starts at $549 and pre-built starts at $799 (USD). I’ve been looking at the Canadian prices and trying to estimate how much the other configurations might cost for US customers; it seems like the prices are being marked up $30-40 USD higher than the CAD-USD equivalent, and that the price difference between the i3 and i5 chips is approximately $160 USD (and a $40 difference between the 8GB and 16GB RAM). With all that in mind, my guess is that a bare-bones i5 DIY will start at $709, and a pre-built Performance configuration might be $999. What do you think?
Where did they disclose that? That is right in line with what I was expecting
The update is at the top of this blog post! Framework | Framework Laptop 12 pre-orders are now open!
We’re opening US pre-orders of Framework Laptop 12 on April 10th at 9am PT. DIY Edition starts at $549 USD and is available in five colorways: Black, Gray, Lavender, Bubblegum, and Sage. If you prefer not to assemble your laptop, we also have pre-built options in Black, starting at $799 USD.
Thats just what I did. The prices are from Germany including 19% VAT. I got them from the Price comparison Website Geizhals.de.
RAM and SSD’s are almost 1/3 cheaper here in retail, BUT:
1.3kg, 2+4 cores, 5200MHz RAM. I’ll pass
I just placed a pre-order. Picked a DIY version with ram and ssd. How much cheaper is I bought it somewhere else? I’m from Belgium btw.
RAM and SSDs are about 30%-50% cheaper if bought from other sources like Amazon. Not sure about Belgian prices, just look it up.
Check the pricewatch om Tweakers.net There you can compare all the prizes in Belgium and the Netherlands.
You need to take into account that the ones you can order along with the computer have been tested and you can be sure they will work. With DIY edition sans RAM you really need to do your homework and be sure to order the correct specs. The pre-built edition is also not just assembled, but also tested and certified working.
All of that costs money, so choose according to your knowledge and skills.
So, what are y’alls opinions on if it is worth it? I think the i3 may be fine (although again, it just feels WRONG to use one as a tech enthusiast), but the i5 is completely DOA.
What do you mean? Are you saying that the i3 will perform better than the i5? Can you explain that
I think he means the value for the money, or price viability for what is supposed to be a “budget” machine.
I can see both sides. As a “budget” machine that lacks a lot of convenience features (backlit keyboard, glass trackpad, etc.) as well as some functionality features (no USB4/Thunderbolt, single RAM slot, etc.) the price is a bit steep.
On the other hand, I think for me, it could still be worth the price.
It is a good looking, durable, totally repairable, potentially future upgradeable, 2-in-1 with pen support, swappable ports, and good Linux support. Granted, fanless would be ideal, but having no intake on the bottom makes it a much more convenient machine to use around the house, sitting on a lap, etc., without having to worry about blocking the fan intake vents (which is a consideration on the FW 13).
For my daily tasks, I think the i3 would be more than enough. However, if I decide to use it for some quick, on-the-go photo editing and such, I think the i5 might be worth it for the increased CPU and iGPU grunt. Though, I’m sure still not strictly necessary. Hopefully this is a platform FW supports for many years to come. If I bank on that, the i3 probably makes more sense right now, as it should be good enough, and maybe there will be an ARM processor option down the road, or something that’s just significantly more efficient, and I’ll want to upgrade anyway.
If you are an enthusiast student on a budget I am pretty sure you can find much better options on the used market.
Especially for an enthusiast I see the lack of usb4 as a bit of a dealbreaker as it limits your options to do weird enthusiast stuff a lot. Also being limited to 2230 ssds means you are very limited in storage and will likely also have to pay a premium if you ever want to upgrade it.
An the whole “it’s wrong to use an i3 as a tech enthusiast” is kind of a self limiting mindset you may want to get away from. Stuff like that is why people are still buying 2nd gen i7s over newer gen i3s or whatever they call them these days that perform way better.
The i3 version is fine, but I wish the i5 version had more perks like dual channel RAM to improve GPU performance.