these are mostly for current sense resistors that we populate during pre production builds. They are replaced with a short jumper for mass production so we do not have to spend time populating 0 ohm resistors.
Rework Instructions for 11th Gen Mainboards to enable powering the RTC circuit from the main battery
Can confirm this works very well. Reworked Gen11 boots with attached AC, main battery, or both; all with or without RTC cell.
Some thoughts and observations about the work
There is not sufficient room for through-hole parts above or below the mainboard. At its side is enough space. The images show the voltage divider build as (470k+27k)/150k.
The wires are litz, which is actually too flimsy and I now strongly recommend against. Even a light touch with the solder iron tip squeeze-spreads the strands enough to reach a neighboring contact and cause a short. Better use solid wire.
That was a bit of a thrill. I had to cut blind, tilting the blade, because PU301 was placed so that its corner somewhat overlapped the cut area.
(That makes it a good idea to provide a remedy instruction for a damaged via area: Are there points on the board that could be connected to restore contact if the via area contact was fully broken, if necessary routing a wire top side to bottom side?)
The tiny solder point under the printed “R” offers very little mechanical strength. I chose to scratch off a bit of the coating over the broad diagonal lead for a larger soldering area. If you do so, take care to not expose the neighboring leads.
For the diode I used an SMD type like this, mounted piggy-back on DC1 with the A1/K2 contact directly on the screw-ward contact of DC1.
Strangely, the Manjaro KDE Plasma System Monitor displays negative values for charge rate both when charging and discharging. I had never before looked there, so this may well be a preexisting KDE Plasma bug.
Some Manjaroan here with an unmodified Gen11 board who could check? And ideally also after the rework. That would hopefully rule out a possible unwanted side effect of the rework (and leave me hysteric over where I have snafu’d…). Thanks!
Litz wires are terrible for stuff like this. You must be very skilled if you successfully managed to solder that.
I recommend fine magnet wire. Around 0.2mm diameter should be relatively easy to work with. (This will be small enough to target small pads and large enough to avoid accidental wire breakage and other flimsiness)
after seeing someone else attempt this, I’ll definitely try this once I get my new AMD mainboard! I’ve got a pretty nice solder station at work that I can borrow after hours, so it’ll be a fun project to try with my intermediate soldering skills!
Apparently not skilled enough to think of solid wire beforehand.
(OTOH, I once folded an eikon usb fingerprint reader board in half, to fit into a Dell Mini 9… And if @Kieran_Levin did the work with SMDs only without a binocular or microscope, and a micromanipulator, I can really appreciate that. RESPECT, SIR!)
(Maybe we should start a Brag’n Swag thread?)
If you use solid wire, bend it so that it fits the to-solder position and fix it with a bit of tape. That leaves you a free hand for the solder iron (I recommend the cold end ) and the other for small pliers to hold and guide its tip. Otherwise, even a small tremor will drain your patience very fast.
Also, contra the usual practice, prepare a tiny pearl of solder on pad and wire, so that you don’t have to feed solder while holding the hot tip to the site. All that is needed then is a brief touch of heat to merge the pearls.
I came up with a simplified rework for this which should be much easier to do, and only requires 2 parts. All rework is on the top side, and no traces need to be cut.
It only requires a small 3.3V LDO and diode. I will post more detailed instructions and BOM once I get the parts.
Yeap! That was like my idea.
Wow! Love to see that we already have a simpler version of this (how convenient that it came out before I attempted the more difficult version) Now I’m even more excited to attempt the fix!
#$ſđÞºẞŦ↑@!%!!! (just kiddin’)
I finally ran into one of these in the wild, I’ll try it this weekend.
@Kieran_Levin for the simplified solution can we ditch the schottky if the LDO has reverse current protection?
@Don_Cober Yes you do not need the schottkey if your LDO has reverse current protection.
Sweet so just specify one of those and it’s a single part fix, wires don’t count XD
Yep, once we can vet this version, we’ll update the guide and point to the best part to pick up on Digikey/Mouser.
Extending upon this plan:
Are we getting an even more streamlined fix? Not sure what I’m looking at…but I strangely feel good about it.
Is that a coin cell battery annihilator?
I went to switch on my Framework after not using it for a little while again…dead!
New battery too. This is getting real old. Have switched over to using the old £150 Dell latitude for anything serious. It even has an ethernet port installed as standard. Plus it can go weeks without being charged and still work.
It’s funny how stuff goes full circle!
That’s without the rework?
I wonder having done the rework has anyone has stashed the laptop in a cupboard for a couple of year Well not yet, but now and then I pull out Dells and Toshibas after years and the power on, sure I’m warned about RTC being out of time, but F1 just gets me going.
Like who is risking that on an already expensive moneypit?
Yes, but the newer option, one I proposed , , is just a little add on LDO but until the warranty has died, 10 months yet, and I have nothing better to do, which hopefully I will, then I’ll just use it for 6 hours a day and never have the problem except on the forum.
Take care, keep it ‘alive’