Doesn’t seem that odd to me frankly. Its a Ryzen vs an intel chip comparison. Single core performance on the intel Framework is better than the Ryzen chip, but multicore is better on the Ryzen chip, which lines up with everything else I’ve seen when it comes down between the two (typically). Plus, one is specifically focused on gaming so performance is the focus, while the other is designed for multiple different use cases as a general laptop (from gaming to productivity, varying power levels are required and different battery and cooling comes along with that).
Those multi-core numbers are closer than I would expect given the AMD hype (but it also makes sense if it is just hype).
The Z1 Extreme is an 8 core 30W part, same as the 7840U coming to framework. Probably performs about the same
I didn’t pick up an ROG Ally, and probably won’t because of overlap with my Steam Deck, but I’m definitely interested to see the hardware in action because of how little we’ve seen of the new AMD mobile parts irl
Given the intel ones have a lot more cores, that isn’t all that unexpected. The E-cores are pretty much meant to cheese multi core applications and they do that very well. The efficient part in E-cores refers less to electricity and more to die area/cost which allows intel to spam them. For workloads that can take advantage of that it’s pretty neat.
Yeah it is probably a pretty good analog. Keep in mind we are getting quite a bit slower ram than the ally gets so that’ll make a difference in some workloads.
I guess I didn’t say why I find it odd in the OP. To me, it’s really odd in a refreshing way because of how quiet the fans are in comparison to cool that same 25-30w unit. I was expecting some fair amount of throttling.
i.e. The surprise isn’t from the AMD vs Intel, but more from the form factor and noise level.
After spending 3-4 hours on it…the overall gaming experience sucks.
Windows is too in your face…another windows system to manage. In fact, modern gaming experience in general seems to suck…take so much time to ‘get into’ the games, too many splash screen, too much loading time.
PC gaming isn’t for me I think.
The touch interface also is poor, almost non-existent.
Whoever is responsible for the UX just doesn’t care…or is deliberately, expertly screwing with you.
Comparing it to nothing really. To me, it’s a time thing. Time to do what I need to do, get it over and done with. e.g. I want to game, and gaming is the thing I want my time to be allocated to…not the dance around device management, game download…etc.
Ally is part of the problem, windows is part of the problem, game initialization is part of the problem. It’s UX friction at every step.
If I’m comparing it to anything, I guess I’m comparing it to something like a OG Gameboy, or board games, or sports. e.g. Scrabble, here, start. Chess, start. Tennis, get change, go to the court, pick up a racket and ball, start. The tennis court maintenance is not part of the experience. Looking at billboards of who built the tennis court or sold me the racket is not part of the experience.
Something is broken in modern day gaming, IMO.
For example, taking this long to get into the game is not how I would like to spend my gaming time (timestamped to 17:42):