Can you elaborate on this? Many linux distros support hibernate, it just requires heading over to the docs and copying a few commands into the terminal. The only downside is secure boot is not supported and possibly for that reason I don’t know of a distro that has hibernate enabled by default.
In regard to Omarchy and hibernate, all I could find with a quick search was this pull request for enabling it and adding it to the UI by default. Is this what you’re referring to?
I just wanted to come back and say, thanks for all this. This attack convinced me to finally buy a framework desktop and check out Omarchy, I’ve never been one for tiling WMs but it is teaching me a lot, and the hardware is very cool. I’m modding my framework, and having a blast. The Omarchy discord is super helpful and this forum has been super helpful in learning the ins and outs of the hardware.
Once again, hateful attacks have backfired completely and I couldn’t be more thankful. I’m going to buy a laptop too. Much love Framework!
Whelp, equating all those is just even more sad. Neither I nor anyone I know will buy a Framework product again.
Slurs are absolutely harassment. Calling a rightwing ultranationalist racist a Nazi or a fascist is just an accurate description. It’s also protective. If somebody has the goal of killing and/or immiserating half the people in your “big tent”, isn’t it ridiculous to invite those people in? Labeling them is a first step toward protecting the community.
Assuming you want a good community. Assuming you actually want a “big tent” full of the most people, and not just a certain kind of people. Because some people declare their intent to destroy your tent and kill a bunch of people in it.
Nazis have the goal of killing me. The German Nazis explicitly murdered a quarter million people like me. Now I see the Nazis getting welcomed into your “big tent” with your full knowledge and support. Wouldn’t I be a fool to stick around? You just welcomed in the people who want to murder me. You gave them a ton of money. They’re going to use that money to try to murder me. Why would I stay in your “big tent”? Your “big tent” is a threat to my actual life. It is, literally, dangerous for me to support you.
I hope you get your heads around this fairly straightforward truth. I love the concept of Framework and I’ve been very happy with my laptop since I got it. But, my god people, you can’t have an actual big tent if you invite in the guy with a can of gasoline and a history of lighting tents on fire.
Except you don’t know hardly anything about anyone on this forum. If you want to label public figures then you may go right ahead, you can pull upon any public statements to defend your position. Other users are not subject to that because you couldn’t possibly know where someone falls on the political spectrum. A conservative hardline position on one policy area does not necessitate a similar position in policy areas. It may make it more likely, there may be correlation, but you cannot know.
Anyone who goes out of their way to post anti-trans/lgbtq hate speech will be (and I know some users have already) be banned as undesirables. Same goes for any hate speech. That was the policy before, it remains the policy today. If this is insufficient for you, well, I’m sorry. I really am. That’s a choice you have made and I think it closes you off to a great community. But if you feel threatened? You gotta do what you gotta do to feel safe.
Critique Framework all you wish, critique public figures if you must but I would personally prefer you not do it on this forum but Framework says you may sooooo…be my guest I suppose.
What I won’t countenance and Framework will not countenance is slapping labels on people and going “I know everything I need to know” when you don’t know. You don’t know me, you don’t know my politics. Nobody who knows me IRL/personally would ever use that label on me except in a facetious manner.
So please, refrain from calling other users on this forum fascists. If you think it crosses a line, flag it and move on. Let the moderators do their job.
First of all you’re acting like I’ve specifically called someone a Nazi and you think I can’t possibly know if that person’s a Nazi or not. But, I’m talking about policy. With this policy, someone could literally come in and say, “I’m a total Nazi and I want all the Nazi things,” and I can’t then post, “Wow, this guy’s a total Nazi who wants all the Nazi things!” Someone could have the username “SS Stormtrooper” and I couldn’t say, “Wow, that’s a Nazi username.”
If you want the policy to be, “No calling non-Nazis Nazis,” then fine, whatever, argue with someone else about that. But I’m only going to argue about what the policy actually is, and your hypotheticals do not cover the actual scope of the policy. The policy is, “Calling any forum user a Nazi is harassment and you will get moderated for it.” The practical effect of that policy is to allow actual literal Nazis to hang out in the (now) Nazi bar.
But also, you seem to be deliberately ignoring the part that the biggest thing that makes me literally unsafe here is beyond the moderation policy, but Framework’s explicit monetary support of a specific Nazi. And let’s think on that for even a moment. Some people are known Nazis, and while I’m “allowed” to call DHH a Nazi per the rules because he’s a “public figure”, what if he joined the Framework forums and started posting here? Does that mean I can’t quote him and call his Nazi statements Nazi statements? He’s literally funded by Framework, it’s not outside the realm of possibility that he’d show up here. But it’s suddenly “harassment” to point out his policy positions and how they’re central to fascism? I can say that Framework shouldn’t be giving money to someone who, for instance, wants to violently remove 2/3 of Londoners from Britain, but if I correctly describe that policy as “fascism” it’s “harassment”? That’s absurd.
You’ve just joined, I think no such thing about you personally. The central tenet of how I interpret the argument that yourself and countless others have made I disagree with.
Do you genuinely believe that such an individual would be welcome here? That they wouldn’t immediately be banned? Please. Be realistic. Calling them a Nazi would be wholly unnecessary. Flag such people and move on. They’ll be dealt with. They have been in the past and will in the future.
User here or not, such people remain public figures, as does NRP. Such individuals remain open to criticism as I interpret the rules. As do the policies they espouse.
Jumping in briefly to clarify, GhostLegion is exactly right on this. If a user is engaging in hateful conduct on this forum (including, from your hypothetical, identifying themself as a Nazi, using Nazi symbols or promoting hate) that behavior will result in a ban. If you see this behavior, we ask that you flag it for moderator attention rather than engage with it, consistent with the community guidelines. This helps the mods address it sooner, as we’re a small team and don’t necessarily see every post without your help, and avoids us needing to sort through dozens of replies to make sure we removed every reference to the deleted content.
Alright, hold on. To clarify: DHH, a fascist, is not welcome on the forums because of his fascism, but he is welcome to receive a monetary grant from Framework? Is that the policy?
It wasn’t a monetary grant, it was a donation of hardware. Framework think that is an important distinction (I think it’s semantic quibbling and dodging concerns).
That isn’t what was said, at all.
if DHH starts posting swastikas everywhere, then yes, banned. Or really, any posts of political nature would be suspect because this isn’t a political forum. It’s a laptop forum. Posts about laptops and laptop adjacent topics are what are supposed to be posted here. And sure, entirely harmless general topics about the weather or whatever. Anything else is pretty well frowned upon.
If DHH wants to post about Omarchy or whatever, I doubt Framework will care. Merely having political leanings isn’t enough. It’s talking about them here on this forum that is the distinction that is relevant.
I thought its for the project not for the person individually?
“Omarchy is a beautiful, modern & opinionated Linux distribution by DHH.” DHH has 10 times the number of commits as the next highest contributor and owns the github repo. Anything “for the project” is, practically speaking, for DHH.
I’m just trying to narrow down what the actually policy is, here. So what you’re saying is your understanding is that DHH can be on the forums, but as soon as any of his fascism gets connected he gets banned?
What if he posts a link to his website, which has his fascism posts (and Omarchy posts)? Does he get banned as soon as he links to his own website (in either a post or his profile)? Do I get banned if I link to his website to illustrate the things he’s said? Does he get banned if I link to his website to point out the things he’s said? The Omarchy website links to DHH’s website where the fascism is. Does linking to the Omarchy website get him banned? It would be very strange to be unable to link to a website for a supported project, but also very strange to be able to link to a website that proudly points people to a fascist website.
There is, essentially, no way for DHH to exist in a place without his fascism getting connected to that place. He is not just publicly fascist, but has tied his fascism to his professional life.
You’ve been told what the lines are. I’m not going to get dragged into semantics and hypotheticals. That’s just an express ticket into pointless and endless debate. If a mod finds something you post objectionable but doesn’t necessarily think it was intentionally malicious, you’ll likely get a warning and a request to edit the post in a reasonable length of time. Possibly the post will be edited for you.
This thread is an exception to those rules but this thread is the only exception.
The whole topic is community moderation rules, which by definition is semantics and hypotheticals, why did you reply to me in the first place? 
You say I’ve “been told what the lines are”, but–first of all–lines are never as clear in real life as they are in actual practice, which is exactly why hypotheticals are necessary to find out where the lines actually are.
For instance, I’m trying to find out if the “lines” allow:
Because to me, it appears the lines say, “No, you can’t post links to fascist advocacy,” but then also it seems… let’s say unusual for Framework to give an economic benefit to someone who is not allowed to post their own website in their Framework profile, and even more unusual for Framework to give an economic benefit to a project whose website can’t be posted to the Framework community because it links to fascist advocacy.
So, the lines, wherever they are, either prevent links to these fascism advocacy websites, which includes banning the website for the project that Framework is economically supporting OR the line says that Framework is going to allow links to websites that include fascist advocacy. These statements are mutually exclusive. Framework has to pick one: ban the website for the project they support, or allow links to fascist advocacy.
I don’t want to assume. I want a clear answer for which choice they’re going with.
Read the community guidelines. It explicitly says that there are no hard lines. It is left open to moderator interpretation and enforcement. Context matters. A post in one context may be problematic but not another.
I recall some time ago(months ago possibly years) a swastika was posted on the forum but not in such a context as to evoke nazi-ism. The post was edited and nothing more was done. Should the user have been banned? No. Nothing malicious was intended.
The capacity for hypotheticals is greater than my willingness to address them all. Plus I’m not even a mod. I have run afoul of those guidelines a time or two but I have to abide them all the same if I want to be here.
I personally find what I have seen of DHH reprehensible but not necessarily fascist. I responded less to you personally and more to the idea you were espousing. The same comment could’ve been directed to at least 3-4 others.
Considering I don’t think you plan to test drive Omarchy any time soon, I think your line of questioning is entirely irrelevant to you. Furthermore, I think the answers to most any question are fairly easy to discern and barring easy discernment, easy enough to be better safe than sorry.
While the Hyprland discussion seems to be more complicated, with the majority of harm being done in the past by a handful of people in a much larger community project, I cannot for the life of me understand Framework’s position on Omarchy and DHH. It looks to me like just jumping on a recent bandwagon, promoting a popular “distro” (it’s not, it doesn’t distribute anything, it’s just bunch of dotfiles).
Combine this with DHH’s racism and transphobia which @nrp refuses to address, and I cannot in clear conscience continue advocating for the Framework project. Much here has been said about Big Tents becoming Nazi Bars, but as a queer person who has seen people show indifference towards human rights their entire life, let me just add: I envy you the privilege of being able to “not be interested in politics”.
It’s fairly predictable, unfortunately. There’s a few things:
I do think it’s an example of why I actually expect people to pay at least some attention to “politics.” On the other hand DHHs slide into terrible stuff is much less famous than, say, JKR’s - I knew of the London article, for example, so more recent things and transphobia aren’t a surprise - but I didn’t know about them before.
So to me it’s less “why did you support that stuff” - okay, fine, disappointing and lack of due diligence, but whatever - and more lack of a strong, clear reaction when it came up, including to the fact there’s plenty of defenders here. Everyone does foolish things, even bad things - but leaning in into it is how you end up surrounded by terrible people, and becoming truly terrible yourself.
For DHH or even JKR, there was a time where it could have ended up with “oh, I think that was pretty bad, sorry.” Some folks would probably latch onto it, but it would have been fine. Framework still has time, IMO - but I’d be really surprised if they did something. They have investors, after all - and in the current political climate, especially in the US, that’s probably scarier than alienating a couple of trans girls like me.
What a lot of words to say that you’re not going to say anything. You’re welcome to just not say anything instead of going round and round about not saying anything. 
You should evaluate whether you know much about DHH and fascism. “Deporting” (note: fascists always say “deporting” ahead of time but that’s never where they end up) 2/3 of Londoners because they’re not white cannot be accomplished without a genocidal fascist state.
My line of questioning is about Framework. You can tell because I’m talking about Framework and Framework policies the whole time. Framework either has to allow links to sites that promote fascism, or Framework has to ban links to sites associated with a Framework-supported project. That’s absurd. I am pointing out how Framework has backed itself into this corner in their attempts to “not be political” and “have a big tent”, because really what they’ve done is made a political decision to economically support a fascist and now they’re trying to cover their asses because fascism is famously unpopular and DHH is rapidly becoming a pariah even in communities he helped start.
Unfortunately for Framework, there’s literally no logically consistent way to say, “We are opposed to fascism” and also “We economically supported a prominent fascist and that’s not bad” at the same time. It’s a real shame they didn’t do the actually responsible thing and say, “We’re sorry, we didn’t know about DHH’s fascism. In the future we’ll vet our grants better. We’ve revoked the grant to Omarchy / We unfortunately are unable to revoke the grant to Omarchy at this time. We’ll do better in the future.”
Personally, it’s dangerous for me to support anyone that can’t say, “We are opposed to fascism,” with their full throat and mean it, because as previously mentioned the fascists want to kill me. If Framework is not going to shut down fascism on their forums and is going to provide support to fascists, that means Framework is okay with my murder.