What gives you the idea that Framework are flouting EU regulations, which regulation(s) ?
Framework does have an EU marketplace in Germany Since March 2022 but note all laptops and parts still come from Taiwan, so first shipments will come direct from Taiwan. Some replacement parts, and refurbishments, are local, EU or US
EU warranty law for example. According to EU law if you sell in an EU country, you have to provide warranty in the whole EU, but Framework insist to only support chosen countries.
If Framework were an EU based country, you could sell within the whole EU if you followed the regulations of that single country (which of course follows EU law), so a lot of stuff would get probably easier.
You may find that means if you are a EU company then you have to warranty EU as sales in the EU but it makes no sense to try and force a foreign power to conform to āLocalā EU legislation.
I can buy anything from anywhere and the seller doesnāt have to warranty my purchase unless they are in the UK in my case. UK law applies to UK vendors not EU or US vendors.
US laws apply to US vendors
You really think EU laws should apply to the US and the UK.
I didnāt vote for BREXIT but with the idea that the EU laws govern businesses out side the EU then I can see why some people wanted out, still I think that is not the case.
Further: You will note that the āyouā in the following refers to countries in the EU only and the warranty may different in each one. There is a dropdown menu to select within the EU which nationality the āyouā may be to define the expected warranty.
The only thing holding me back is lack of funds this month - but that will change in a few weeks time, and I will āpull the triggerā and order a Framework 13
My EU country isnāt available but also reshipping is not encouraged.
People wrote about āimport once ā ship to any EU countryā but for some reason itās still hard to do for FW.
What if my employer or my cousin is located in a country that you support; does this count as reshipping? And what if I would visit them and pick it up myself?
Also what I noticed is that I canāt buy a spare keyboard right from the start. Iād like to do an order and buy a second keyboard or a second screen right from the start.
Iām holding back for a 13ā Intel variant because of all the talk of high fan noise.
Would love to see a mod for a passive CPU cooling option, or better thermal management.
The weaker the processor you choose the less fan noise you should have.
So possibly they maxed out the CPU when in reality they couldāve went with a weaker one.
I have a laptop with 5900HX processor and I reduced its power to make it more quiet. Itās a very fast processor for a laptop and it doesnāt last long on battery but then you can actually run several games at the same time, several app servers and it doesnāt even flinch. So you knowā¦ this is why the fan starts to spin. And you should tweak the fan and maximum performance to your needs.
This is actually fine. Just realize that any support requests would need to go through your cousin. Employer seems less fine but it might be. Ask support for more details. And you should be able to add additional things to cart besides the laptop. Unless itās a pre-order.
It will have to be bought by your cousin with a bank card registered in the supported country, the laptop will be registered to them. They can do what they like with it and give it to you, woe betide it goes wrong once you have it.
Oh. So that ebook reader that I bought 5 years ago in Switzerland was illegal? I paid Swiss VAT for it but it was still illegal? They delivered it to the local address and I canāt go there anymore. And I didnāt use a Swiss banking card.
Also what should I do if I simply rent a flat in Germany and then move into another place? Do I lose warranty if I canāt receive parcels into a place I lived 1 year ago? Something is not right with your version.
Does it mean that if I sell a house in Germany and move toā¦ UKā¦ does it mean that I lose all warranties that are attached to my goods?
Thereās nothing illegal, you just donāt get Framework support from the USA not an EU associated country.
You can rent a flat in Germany and use a German bank no problem, but when you want support you have to got back to the German falt for the RMA etc.
Iām a bit surprised this seems so difficult to understand.
Maybe I am missing something,
EDIT: for your amendment to your post
If you sell up and move to the UK you will have to sort it out with Framework but both are supported countries so it will not be so difficult hopefully.
If you are genuine Iām sure Framework can work with that, but if you are trying to fiddle by freight forwarding you may have problems.
You seem to be offering hypothetical ways to get a Framework, not very practicle and where do you stop in your arguments?
@Martynas What you arenāt understanding is that Framework is a US company, it has different rules. This forum as seen some variation of ābut EU and common market!ā many times. It is different for Framework. Accept that please and drop the subject. If you have a relative in a supported country then they can purchase the laptop and give it to you with the understanding that any support will have to go through them. Thatās it, end of story, nothing else to say.
And we do know. We have seen this time and time again and seen the same responses from support time and time again.
Itās clear, you can ask someone in a supported country to buy one, that is someone with a residential address and local bank account. What they do with it after is their problem.
Itās very simple. You on the other hand will not have a valid warranty, they may have. Sort it out with your ācousinā and see what they have to say.
You may want to start a whole new topic I think you have had a good run on this one.
Lack of a touchscreen was holding us back before but not anymore. We can wait until one is released as an upgrade or swap. We havenāt ordered because preorders arenāt open for the 16" yet, and we donāt know the actual specs available or expected performance.
Our desktop is a 9700k and original 2080, and weāre hoping we can smash that. The 7840HS benchmarks crush the 9700k (genuinely between 30% and 70% more performance) and the 7840U isnāt too far behind for the most part. Hopefully thereās a GPU option with a lot of VRAM and encode/decode power. Would be nice to have an option to really throttle everything and sip power when we want to unplug.
I am once again on this list of āNot ordered yetā because Iām waiting for reviews of the AMD motherboard before ordering. Could use an upgrade simply so that stuff compiles faster. If those turn out fine in terms of performance and battery life (ideally with performance comparisons to the first iteration Framework so I can have an idea of the performance changes) Iām pretty much immediately ordering a kit.