If you haven't ordered yet, what's holding you back?

I will order the 13" ryzen 5 7640u.
I am waiting until I can order it with the 61Wh battery.
IF that’s tomorrow, I’ll buy tomorrow :slight_smile:

You will likely be waiting a long time then. Framework has not announced plans to sell the Ryzen 5 boards with the larger battery (likely to keep the number of different SKUs low. Instead the solution will be to get the laptop with the 55Wh battery and the 61Wh upgrade from the marketplace.

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I don’t think so.
And I’m not ordering a laptop with a too-small battery and then replace it right away.
That defeats the purpose of a modular configurable laptop that limits environmental impact.

  1. On top of that, the 55wh battery is most likely disappearing anyway.
    The price difference is about 20usd, and once they switch fully to 61wh the price for them will go down.

  2. Every box is made to order already (with your specific io modules, bezel, keyboard, …), so the battery does not matter.

So unfortunately for now I will have to wait. But that’s okay.
My 2012 macbook air still works fine for light office work :slight_smile:

Addition: I found an additional reason not to buy now.
I could buy the laptop now with the 55wh battery, and buy a 61wh in a few months.
But the shipping costs of the battery alone, are 30 euro’s. That’s massive and unreasonable.

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Of course valid to wait, but I wouldn’t place my bets on the Ryzen 5 ever receiving the 61wH battery.
In my personal opinion, the 6wH gain isn’t worth worrying over, but of course your opinion as also a valid stance.
Another way you might be able to justify buying the 61wH seperately though is keeping a battery in reserve to swap out the other one in the distant future :slight_smile:

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Fair enough. But the new battery would cost 79euro incl vat, plus 30 in shipping.
That is ridiculous to be honest.
I will wait until I can order it with the new laptop.

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I’m late to the party here but I want to step in to correct this misconception.

There are two boxes involved here: Laptops are assembled into SKUs (for DIY edition on 13th gen and newer, that’s based on CPU, 12th gen and earlier its CPU and Keyboard) at the factory and then sealed into inner boxes and sent to the 3PL partner, who packs the inner laptop box into an outer box.

Some components, like the ones you listed, can be customized without introducing additional SKUs because they can be added separately into the outer box. However, the battery must come pre-installed because shipping restrictions on Lithium Ion batteries are a lot more difficult (and expensive) to deal with if they are not installed in devices.

If they made it possible to select the battery, they would need to double the number of laptop SKUs, which is not feasible for a company with less than 50 employees globally.

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A version that’s more like a hybrid laptop/tablet. I’d seriously like one of these with Framework’s design philosophy of being able to upgrade everything and anything.

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Thanks for the clarification! Makes perfect sense.
Would it be reasonable to expect that all framework laptops in the near future will be available with the 61wh battery, as soon as that battery is available? Or not for >1year?

I have no idea. I’m not a Framework employee.

They still don’t deliver to Sweden…
This is getting silly by now, you can buy them in neighbouring countries but not here…

I’m unfortunately just going to buy another Thinkpad soon but wish I could buy the Framework…

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well if you really wanna know it’s because Switzerland still can’t order them. I could order to Germany and get it like that but that would be against ToS or something idk. ill just wait for the 16" after all the Swiss keyboard layout was (finally) made. i just hope that the region releases with the 16" and not another few quarters after -_-

Please note that Framework does not support freight forwarding to unsupported countries as they do not have the authority to sell or ship their products to any countries/regions outside of their officially supported country/region list located here: What countries and regions do you ship to?. If individuals proceed by entering invalid/incorrect billing information, their order will be subject to cancellation/refund, and their payment method may be subject to blacklist. If the order does proceed, they are acknowledging that Framework is not responsible for anything that may happen as a result of not utilizing Framework’s direct shipping to a supported country/region, and that they are fully accountable for any additional costs incurred, or documentation required. Additional information can be found in the Framework Terms of Sale and the Framework Limited Warranty documentation.

If it continues to come up in this thread, I will unfortunately have to close it, which I would really prefer not to do because there is some really amazing feedback that comes up here. Thank you.

I have ordered one anyway.
It’s a gamble whether or not they will eventually sell the 61wh battery with the base model at all.
And to be honest; can’t wait :innocent:

I currently own a Lenovo ThinkPad and have managed to upgrade the RAM and the OS and can still upgrade the storage by adding an M.2 drive. I want to get as many years out of my ThinkPad as I can before I invest in a new laptop. Even then, I’m not sure I’ll part ways with my ThinkPad when I get a new laptop. I have high hopes for the Framework 16 laptop but I’m still in a wait and see mode when it comes to my buying one. Part of the reason has to do with the fact that I’m moving and getting ready to go back for my bachelors degree in cybersecurity.

I’m considering buying one part at a time and building a FW16 when I can afford to do so. Only time will tell if I can pull that off. That said, greater customization options for the case would be an awesome idea. Particularly if I can get a black case with a backlit Framework logo. That may be a DIY project I’ll want to look into.

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Framework is holding me back by not supporting shipping to my country. They should figure it soon or i will have to pull trigger on different laptop.

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welcome them to our community!

I’d like to order an i5 with 61Wh battery and matte screen, but sadly neither screen nor battery are configuration options.

The battery is not yet an option, but may be eventually. The matte screen is the default now, which is why there is no configuration option. If you order a 13th gen Intel or AMD 13" right now, you will get a matte display.

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