I was able to make a pre-order with non-US debit card (since my country is unlikely to have it officially anytime soon). It would be a very expensive thing though considering import tax, US tax, shipping, additional ISO keyboard later…
I hope, forwarding won’t be an issue.
@nrp regarding Europe, I know you already planned to launch there by the end of the year. However, did you plan to have a EU based warehouse ? Or will it be a regular international shipping on which we will have import tax + duties ?
I would also be concerned about this. I appreciate warranty service will not be available if I am outside of the shipping region but I would expect the same level of normal support wherever I might be (apart from those countries where the US bans support services).
I heard about Framework on a BBC radio program about being able to repair “stuff” in the UK. I would not necessarily expect the BBC to say that this Laptop wasn’t available in the UK but they did mention it as if it were.
Considering info in this thread, any way to import this Laptop means both US taxes, UK import taxes and shipping costs and maybe VAT at 15% ? , if imported without support in the UK means no warranty. Accepted that most of these costs apply to anything made outside the UK
Framework don’t quote when they will ship to other countries, not even an estimate, but considering this could be one of ten or twenty countries or more then I can’t expect the UK to be top of the pile and of course they are under no obligation to ship elsewhere.
Sadly without any information on availability this excellent idea isn’t practical for me, and I think I will unsubscribe from the newsletters as they only prove to be an irritation. The BBC may get a note from me though, but only after I replay the radio program to check they didn’t mention the availability problem.
Good luck to Framework and all those buying the Laptop.
Re shipping forwarding to Australia, from memory of personal experience, anything over $1000AUD has steep Australian import duties (about 40%). Perhaps things have changed since though. In 2018 I had tried to import two $500USD motorbike helmets to Australia in the same shipment, yet had them returned from customs due to import duties, whereas if I did seperate shipments it would have been fine.
This is similar in Indonesia and Malaysia too, both with their own threshold (from memory Indonesia was $100USD and Malaysia was $400USD).
Singapore is one of the few countries on the eastern side of the world without hefty import duties; pre-covid it was economical for digital nomads and travelling libertarians to rent post office boxes inside the Changi airport.
Perhaps for countries with a reasonable import duty threshold, instead of setting up local distribution, a single order could be spread across multiple shipments which items max out well before the destination’s import duty threshold.
I’m currently in Australia and the prices are not 40% as long as you use a customs broker, which should be included if you’re using a global shipping service. My laptop just arrived last week and for import duties were only A$170 ish (for a US$ 1200 DIY configuration). I had to pay a total of $280 after service fees which I think is still significant, but not 40% significant. A mate had to pay extra because they decided to sign up for a customs license.
I used to live in Indonesia before moving here, you are correct that the threshold is US$100, customs + duty tax is 17.5% if you’re local (and have a local tax file) otherwise it’s 25%.
Imported one into the UK was £198.86 total with customs and everything.
My framework order was shipped on the 16th and got to Stackry on the 20th. I then had to have Stackry check the box due to it containing battery’s for $5 at the same time I had them add extra bubble wrap/fragile stickers for a extra $5. This was completed on the 23th and the parcel was sent to me using FedEx International Priority. On the 24th it landed in the UK and I paid customs. It should get here Monday morning can’t wait to play with it.
@reality404 How did it go? Am also in the UK and my current laptop is on it’s last legs and won’t make it to the end of the year, and given the lack of movement on international shipping I don’t think I’m going to wait much longer for Framework to launch over here.