Request: Review of Framework Laptop 16 Keyboard Layouts

Hey, not with framework, but that’ll be to bring up the calculator app on your PC. You see similar designs on a few numpad designs

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As Daniel and I mentioned in previous replies, this is a Czech and Slovak keyboard (I forgot to mention that it’s an American layout, but I didn’t consider it essential), which is produced by many OEMs, and I think it’s the best thing for you, because you don’t have to produce a separate keyboard for Czech and Slovak and produce only one keyboard for us, I think it’s the best thing for you both from an environmental and business point of view, i would prefer more ANSI than ISO with framework logo(no super/win key)

ps: in my ANSI layout made mistake the apostrof under letter M shouldn’t be there and can’t edit

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I hope the team comes to it’s senses, and really looks into the setup of the arrow keys.

I just saw this on novacustoms (a netherland based framework-like company) and got almost to tears.

This is a custom made keyboard, as this manufacturer allows.

And how this person has setup the arrow keys is just nothing short of amazing:

Why has nobody thought about this before?
Can we do this as well?

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You mean the arrow keys with the page up and page down keys place besides them? That’s how Thinkpads do it. Probably others too.

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oh neat, I have always used Elitebooks :sweat_smile:

I’m happy that you have such a clear opinion on this, but just because this would be the best setup for you, does not mean that it is the best setup for everyone. Framework has chosen the keyboard layouts that they are using for a reason, and it is honestly a bit rude to just assume that your preferred layout is the “right” layout. I’m sorry that they didn’t choose to have PgUp and PgDn keys above the left and right arrows, but I personally find that setup annoying because I accidentally hit the pg keys often, so I am glad that Framework laid it out the way they did. Hopefully in the future there are 3rd or 1st party keyboard layouts that are better for you, but don’t assume that the team needs to “come to their senses” because they didn’t do what you think they should.

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I totally agree with next_to_utter_chaos about the german layout, please make the keyboard as suggested in his picture, with one slightly change:
Germans use a lot of uppercase letters in the beginning of a word.
The correct spelliling would be

“Bild” on page up and page down keys
“FN-Sperre” on fn lock key
“Druck” on the print screen key

On the number-keyboard block for the 16" Framework the wording would be (translated from standard US layout):

“Ende” instead of “end”
“Einfg” or “Einfügen” instead of “ins” or “insert”
“Entf” or “Entfernen” instead of “del” or “delete”

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Am I missing something? So I can’t have the Linux keyboard with RGB? I have to choose between RGB and a stupid Windows logo or White LEDs and a Super Key?

Has anyone replaced a key on a Framework keyboard? I’ll buy both keyboards and swap the key if I have too. :triumph:

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It’s not recommended officially as the keys can break and weren’t designed for removal, same as nearly all laptop keyboards.
But at least a couple people have done it successfully. Iirc one combined keys from a transparent and blank keyboard. Another did a colemak layout.
Changed my keyboard layout in hardware to colemak! - #9 by Dr_Bel_Arvardan

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@Matt_Hartley I’m replying to the Latin American Spanish keyboard.

The keyboard seems to be just fine. There’s just one mistake on the “Print Screen” key, which in spanish should be “Imprimir Pantalla”, which in the key is shortened to “imp pnt”.

Also, I’d highly recommend that the letters are put in the center of the keyboard such as in US RGB, with symbols such as the “@” in the Q staying in the corner but in a smaller size.

This is how most laptop keyboards are now, at least in Colombia. It feels a lot more modern, as solves the problem of having 90% of keys seeming too blank (the image below is of my current laptop).

The rest feels fine.

Any chance of an rgb macropad with the keycaps for the numpad so that it matches the black rgb keyboard? Edit: Or even just a keycap pack?

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Welcome to the forum.

The numpad keys are different. The 0 (zero), enter, and + (plus) keys are double size.

Do note that all input modules run QMK firmware, so you would be able to also place macros on the numpad as well.

There has been no talk of the keycaps being designed to be removable. With the Framework-13 they aren’t, and Framework warns that you may break them if you try. Of course, a few people have done it anyway.

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Linux RGB Keyboard option when

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Ah, didn’t realize that earlier, thanks for pointing that out, I really just want my numpad/macropad to match the keyboard which isn’t possible with the black RGB currently.

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I would love to see a German layout with a super key. RGB doesn’t matter to me, but I don’t want to be forced to have a Windows icon on the keyboard just because I use the German layout.

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As a ten years bépo enthusiast, I would instantly buy a laptop with an ortholinear keyboard.

Any news about that ?

Many bépo users need an ortholinear keyboard instead of the old ninetieth century’s style because it’s the way it’s meant to be typed.
I think blank keys would be the best choice on such a keyboard, as users often let their keys blank or use stickers. No need to create too many options for a few customers : a universal blank keys ortholinear option would be enough.

Maybe this kind of layout should be considered :

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Generic feedback - I like the context menu key on a full size keyboard, I miss that on my Framework 13.

Specific - any plans for other languages to get RGB? I’m specifically interested in UK

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So I would buy this laptop for this (type of) keyboard alone if this option would become available:

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This is my predicament as well

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No longer a predicament for me. Numpad Module does not come in RGB. Almost accidentally ordered the RGB Macropad. Would look real silly to have an RGB keyboard with a White backlight Numpad.

So many keyboard options yet still not the ones I want. RGB English Linux Keyboard with an RGB Numpad, please! Look Framework, Linux users are gamers now and we still like typing numbers real fast. Got it?

At least at the end of the day I don’t have to look at a stupid Windows logo. I can at least be happy about that. Still the most money I have spent on a laptop ever, by 3 times. Never been a high end laptop worth getting knowing they are disposable.

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