It reads fine to me, like this:
…something the Core i7-1270P can’t [do] on account of the lower base TDP
“on account of” == “because of” == “due to”
That 1240p with a raised 50w PL1 is really fast…and stable thermal as well, according to the graph. If Lenovo raise the PL1 of the 1270P to 50w, then sure, the 1270P will be faster. However, with such a huge gap (1270p @ 28w, vs 1240p@50w…sustained)…there’s no competition really…even when the 1270p is the higher binned ‘processor’. The Yoga Slim 7i is the better tuned product though, overall, in terms of thermals and compute capability.
It seems there’s a lot more to digest than I realised with these laptops compared to using the mac or even some other laptops.
When the 12th gen frameworks available for sale, can someone let me know how fast these can edit 4K video as that’s what I do for work as well as how fast it encodes videos in handbrake? As I want to invest in a good laptop and avoid getting ripped off by Apple’s ridiculous pricing for RAM,storage, SoC, ports etc.
It looks like Framework could potentially be that laptop for me because its light, has more ports than the macbook air and 13in Macbook Pro models, has a faster processor than my existing mac from 2017 (Kabylake).
I do wish finding info on this forum was much easier with more kinds of people using these machines, as I get the impression the forums were aimed at programmers and developers rather than video editors like me or even the average user.
If we want to push the laptop industry to finally stop soldering storage and RAM and make laptops upgradeable, then we’ll need to appeal to a wide range of potential users so the main laptop companies stop holding onto these practices and finally let us upgrade RAM and storage without paying ridiculous prices (like Apple).
I think that’s it. I’m not used to a platform that doesn’t focus on how fast a laptop can edit 4k videos for a living like I usually do so you can forgive the confusion I have.
Anyways I’m the kind of guy who’s used to asking around for recommendations before buying a new laptop rather than buying first and then regretting it later.
But anyways I believe framework can work for me with a few adjustments mainly moving away from mac only apps to windows apps for my work plus buying the required RAM (32GB ram kit) and storage (1TB plus SSD).
I’m always open to learning about a platform especially if I’m moving away from mac to PC like I would from my old mac to the framework.
Anyways thanks to everyone here for answering my previous questions on my thread here.
Like I said. If you truly want performance laptops (designed for such workflows) go get a mobile workstation from another company. Dell or Hp or Asus.
I don’t trust/recommend lenovo because their machines’ build quality/quality have been on the drop, even if on the surface they seems alright. Both of my machines have terrible problems (random bluescreens, charger issues, etc) that other laptops does not have.
I want to summarise my views re the framework laptop for video editing as a lot has been said in this thread.
First of all I want to thank you for your insight into what makes these laptops great and how I can deal with any issues that come up. I’ve learned more from this forum since I joined this community which is awesome.
Ok so here’s what I think about the different areas of the framework laptop:
Performance
I’m satisfied that this laptop will meet my needs as a 4K video editor most of the time due to the latest Intel processors using more modern technology and versions of Intel quick sync (used for accelerating hardware encoding/decoding, so things like Davinci Resolve, Premiere Pro, handbrake use it).
If I ever come across a situation where I need a better GPU, I can either upgrade the main board with a newer processor or use an external GPU as that’s also supported here.
Cost
I’m impressed with how affordable this laptop is as it’s far cheaper than any Mac and offers similar or better performance for the price than the M1/M2 models.
Eg if I buy the DIY kit with a core i7 12th gen processor, I can have 32GB RAM and 1TB storage for around £1400 total in the U.K. (when buying those 2 parts from local shops I know).
Whereas in the Mac world, it could cost me over £2,400 for such a configuration in their MacBook Pro lineup.
Weight.
This is much lighter than most macs so it’ll be much easier on my back at 1.3kgs compared to 1.83kgs with my current MacBook Pro 2017 laptop.
Repairability and expansion.
This laptop is perfect for me as it allows me to do 3 common repairs I’d so myself instead of paying apple so much for fixing a worn out battery plus I can expand RAM and storage later on.
There’s simply nothing like this laptop in the marketplace right now.
Would I buy this laptop and ditch my MacBook Pro 2017? Yeah 10/10
yes. Bang for buck is actually okay, especially with the DIY versions.
Eeh.
Personally I am willing to lug around a 4 pound 15 inch laptop that is just … a aircraft carrier. Not everyone is into those and I understand.
But, but. That’s the impression “old me” have with thin and lights ('s tendency to overheat). Framework (and my other laptop)'s thermal solution is actually quite good.
Yes. There is currently nothing that can be compared to Framework in this realm. Not beside Fairphone, that is.
Welcome aboard!
(and yes, I am going to get a framework too. Once I actually go and upgrade)
Following up on this thread to see if there’s any new information about video editing with the 12th Gen. I just placed a deposit on one and plan to do some mobile editing with it. I got the 4TB had so that I can make proxies to reduce CPU load. I fully anticipate some thermal throttling with encoding but I think all small laptops (like my current XPS13) will face the same issue.
I was considering the MBP14 for my needs, and by all accounts it would be great. But I am an advocate of right to repair (and right to upgrade). I’m hoping to get 4-5 years out of my Framework with a mid-cycle upgrade. At the end of those 4-5 years, I will have spent as much as a MBP14 but have a more powerful machine at the end of its lifecycle.
And other feedback from video folks would be greatly appreciated.
@John_M_Flores I have only been using an i7 11th Gen, which is slower. I haven’t had any issues with Davinci Resolve but I do recommend 32 GB of ram (I used 16 GB for a while and I just closed everything besides Davinci Resolve). Also, if you are using Windows 11 do not leave Davinci Resolve open if you want the laptop to go to sleep, DR just drains the battery
Seems like the Macbook Pro don’t suffer as much thermal throttle as the regular Macbook (105 degrees), but I would not put any money into it, given Apple’s history.
If anything, the XPS 13 inch should have better cooling. You might argue otherwise, but it’s solely because them are cramming a 65W chip (max turbo, at least) inside a 13 inch chassis, and effectively every compromise is made to make as big a cooling solution as it possibly fit.
And realistically, I would imagine that choosing between a Mac and a PC would be more dependent on your workload, rather than actual hardware differences.
