Sad you see this as an argument about you, I was trying to understand what was inhibiting you from being able to plug in the laptop. Still the ML 1220 should not discharge in day although the main battery may if you are powered on.
The criteria in this topic was the charge in the ML 1220 which is independent of charging the main battery. So if you have had the laptop powered on and charging lately then hopefully the ML 1220 is good for a couple of weeks.
My argument was never about the main battery, but about the RTC battery having already been dead if you recall. Had I not checked it yesterday, and set it to charge, it still would have been dead, therefore preventing me from turning on my laptop once I was already traveling.
If this makes the whole thing happen less frequently, this sounds like a decent workaround to me. If I leave the thing unused for a month now, itâll be in the bad state anyway. If the battery is empty, too - what have I lost? I need the laptop on a charger for 24h anyway.
I already manage the charging state of the main battery for the laptop anyway, but I canât even see the charging state of the RTC battery (as far as I know). If the RTC-battery-life would be somewhat tied to the main battery, I just need to keep managing the main battery and top that of every few weeks - and I can check the state of the main battery, so I have feedback from the system. Currently, I have a laptop that works fine yesterday evening at 90% main battery, and today itâs dead without any warning. That is very annoying.
Alternatively, give us an option for this reset that does not involve fiddling with a fragile battery holder and a fragile main battery connector, that would be fine, too. Press the power button for 45sec with the AC adapter, or something, whatever.
I like this ideaâŚbut not sure if it poses any security related risk / issue.
(e.g. In the case of a password protected BIOSâŚanyone with physical access can reset your board with the power buttonâŚand no password needed?) A matter of able to reset with 45seconds physical access, vs 90 seconds (unscrew / pull / put back / screw)âŚ
Iâm not exactly clear on what information is stored by the use of RTC battery other than time, vs whatâs in the NVRAM.
If the main battery is fully charged there is every chance, if the RTC|CMOS battery is fine you will have no problem. My 1165 dual boot Win1 and Ubuntu 22.04 doesnât use any power when off, and the ML 1220 only requires around 1mA/hour and requires 17mAh to be fully charged
With a main battery of 55,000mAh you can see that if could charge the ML 1220 it would last âforeverâ 3000 full charges of the ML 1220 from the main battery
Just chiming in to say this just happened to me, again. Laptop wouldnât power on until connected to a charger, then went through a lengthy boot process, and Windows had forgotten the time (it was two weeks in the past). As a result a lot of web services wouldnât work presumably because of certificate security issues, until I corrected the time manually.
I cannot recommend the Framework laptop to anyone until this issue is resolved in some way. I suppose I should be thankful I havenât yet had to do the full mainboard reset routine and interfere with the fragile CMOS battery holder.
My laptop wouldnât boot at all, even when connected to charger.
In the time ive had it, it only happened twice, and I suspect it was due to a Microshaft Winblows 10/11 update because both occurrences (for me anyways) happened when updates were scheduled and in progress.
Do you have the laptop powered on regularly, at least an hour or two a day or 7 hours a week etc. so when the update occurs the battery is âfullyâ charged and powered on.
I have my battery set to 78% max, I use it plugged in most of the time and often 6 hours a day and no problem with Win 10~11 or updates and no powering issues.
Wanted to add to this thread by saying Iâve also started seeing this issue. I had a flight yesterday and the laptop wouldnât power on despite fully charging the battery before leaving. Remembering this thread I tried plugging it into one of the USB outlets in the seat, and doing that for just a couple of seconds was enough to get it to power on, and the main battery was fully charged as expected. The same thingâs been happening since then, though I havenât had a chance to leave the laptop charging for a significant amount of time yet.
The last few months were the first time in this laptopâs life where Iâve used it almost exclusively plugged in with a 60% charge limit, so Iâm wondering if that could have anything to do with this issue. Itâs also possible that the fact I wasnât using it unplugged hid the problem rather than caused it, but itâs something worth considering I think.
For now Iâll try leaving it plugged in for a long time and see if that helps. In regular usage itâs easy enough to work around by just increasing the Windows sleep-to-hibernate battery threshold to a large enough value such that the laptop doesnât actually ever turn off, but an actual resolution would be nice since this has a significant effect on battery life.
For a summary of that post relevant to @Firestorm980âs question, they planned to reduce the power draw on the RTC battery, and implemented a bandage solution of a clear CMOS button to address potential silicon bugs requiring a full mainboard reset. The RTC battery would theoretically last 2 months after 24 hours on the charger with the proposed changes.
EDIT:
They also added a path to charge the RTC battery from the main battery, so it should stay charged as long as the laptop battery has charge, so no real worry if it works as proposed.
Iâve given up on the issue myself. As power costs have shot up Iâve now switched to using my Framework hooked to a Dell Dock as my daily general machine rather than my X99 chipset workstation.
One runs on around 8 watts and the other runs at 100W+ no brainer really.