Framework Owners - is it time to upgrade to Windows 11 from 10?

Yeah I do wonder what people are doing when they get such issues. I’ve had a smooth experience so far with 11 on my Framework.

I have to admit though I don’t really use sleep/hibernation on my laptops. I switch all that off. They are either on or off, no middle ground. When a NVMe kicks in from boot in like 10 seconds I can wait. It’s not like having to wait 4 minutes for a 5400rpm HDD with Vista.

I even switch off Fast Start if it’s available. Those kind of features seem obsolete to me.

Going to Echo the same here, got my laptop back in batch 2 and put 11 on it before it was officially released (using Win10 driver pack, and didn’t purchase license until Win11 was released) and have had 0 issues since. Also have Win10 and Ubuntu VM’s installed on it with everything working on them as well… also don’t use fastboot.

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Windows 11 is pretty much, to be fair, open beta.
Massive inconsistencies and features across the board even in the latest developer builds
It’s just that unlike other open beta you run no risk in destroying all your saved files because kernel and essential taskengine/scheduler is good.

Although eventually we will move on because Win 10 will die at Oct 2025

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Those are developer builds. Those are definitely an open beta. That is the purpose of the Insider program :wink:.

The released version (22000) is a finished product that has reached GA.

Latest Windows 11 Release taken on my computer:



There are youtube videos showing glitched windows with mixed square/round corners. exactly how he did that, I don’t know.

I’m not against it. I used to be a Windows Insider (and technically I still am), it’s just that I no longer have time to deal with the random stuff of computer crashing and reporting errors on “feedback hub” that nobody will ever look at

Well yeah it’s been that way since Windows 8 came out. Just a long series of incremental updates with the odd name change every so often. To be honest I prefer this method.

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Your images illustrate two scenarios:

  1. A window snapped to the left side of the screen. When windows are in snapped configurations, they don’t have round corners (on purpose – so when two are next to eachother, there isn’t a gap between them.)
  2. A window not snapped to the left side of the screen, but positioned as though it is. The corners remain rounded. There’s also an instance of Word overlapping the taskbar (is that what the bottom rectangle is pointing out?) with the bottom offscreen so that the corners aren’t visible.

Nothing there seems out-of-the-ordinary…

The linked video is just the same UI accusations levelled against Windows 10, Windows 8, etc. that don’t really need repeating at this point. Those “inconsistencies” don’t make the OS a “public beta”, they just make it inconsistent.

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Just weighing in as another of those moving to Linux distributions instead of Windows 11 due to all the problems Microsoft increasingly inflicts on users. I have no intention of paying Microsoft to be abused and will only ever run 11 in a highly restricted sandbox if at all, so that I can forcibly revert any problems from the Linux host side without giving Microsoft any say in the matter.

To each his own.

Indeed, I couldn’t imagine the hell of moving to Linux. Seriously.

“You installed the wrong Distro dude!”

“Look it up! I’m not telling you Noob!”

All that kind of welcoming support you get when you ‘give it a try’. :rofl:

Oh I’ve tried!

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I’ve been using linux on and off for 15 years, various distros, and I’ve never encountered that.

After the stunts I have seen Microsoft pull over the past several decades (websearch “AARD code” for instance,) and especially with how bad 11 is, after other releases like 8 and Vista have already been a severe downward trend for the OS… I’ll happily take any hassles with an open source OS over going back to the figurative abusive boyfriend over and over again with Windows 11.

Finding the right distro can be hard, but at least you have thousands of options instead of being stuck with the most recent 1-3 editions of Windows.

But for 99% of the world’s end users that just want to browse, use Office365, do some AAA gaming and buy stuff online, is that really an issue?

Not really.

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That depends. I suggest you start paying attention to every possible problem, especially related to auto-updates and drivers, that Linux might not have had. If you start looking at it in that light, I think you will quickly realize you’ve simply been Stockholm-syndromed into putting up with the same old problems for years that don’t need to be problems to begin with. New problems are easy to see. But it’s even easier to start ignoring the ones you’ve become used to, just like tolerating an abusive spouse’s routine mistreatment.

Personally, I have less than 0 interest in ever using Office365 (there are better, compatible, FREE products out there,) and find most AAA games like Battlefield 2042, Anthem, Fallout 76, etc not worth the time even when they’re free - it’s mostly indie games that are worth a look these days, AAA is the extremely rare exception. And I am not aware of any particular problems with Linux browsers browsing and buying stuff online - if anything, Edge probably has more problems, since the real browsers all support Linux.

Why pay to be abused? That goes for especially titles like Battlefield 2042 as well.

Let’s cool it folks.

Personal insults and character summarizations, no matter how thinly veiled, are not necessary. This forum is not the place to wage the eternal debate known as Windows vs Linux.

I think it is fantastic that Linux runs so well on the Framework Laptop. Windows does as well.

There are points to using each.

Lets stick to facts and remember that we strive for this community to be a place where we all benefit. If you can’t convey your point or your opinion in a way that accomplishes that, I respectfully ask you to refrain.

Remember, be excellent to each other. Thank you!! :+1:

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Indeed. Remember folks, personal experience and different opinions are not a ‘bad thing’ no matter what the past two years might have told you. :grinning: :sunglasses:

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Really strange behavior with Win 11 Touchpad, if external mouse is attached while rebooting, the touchpad stops working. Gestures do not work. Tried disabling the ps2 emulation, still did not work. I have all the latest drivers i believe.

The twist is, it is snapped. But for some reason windows do not consider it to be snapped and the window is in fact in a “bugged” state and will not respond to clicks until you re-snap the title bar

Personally I think the round window edges is plain stupid. Yes, this is Mac OS Redmond , but still.

It is getting better, though. I am sure there will be more reasons to switch to it when Intel 12th gen come out.
It’s just that on some installs bitlocker cannot be turned off (because it will be stuck in 96% encryption) which basically force you to wipe disk reinstall

Again, I’m not taking anything away from it. I’m just saying that this is technically " stable open beta", which, again, isn’t necessarily a bad thing.

ANy issues with upgrading to Windows 11?

I installed Windows 11 straight out of the box. Not sure that was the best idea. It’s working now, though (sorta).

11 still all working fine here. Not noticed any major gotchas at all.

As stated before, I don’t use hibernation at all.

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